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Newbie's questions / Re: Arbing After Restrictions
« on: June 21, 2017, 05:01:41 PM »
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Arbing and trading talk / Irregular arbitrage periods
« on: June 21, 2017, 04:54:03 PM »
For many years now I notice some irregular arbitrage periods during the season. During these periods, alert services are considered having poor performance and many of our members are complaining, experiencing low profitability and less arbitrage action, feeling that their time in front of the pc is hard. These are the periods when many arbers decide to try a 2nd or 3rd alert service that might work supplementary to the main one.
What are these periods?
1. Middle to end of October, some times extending to November.
2. End of February, beginning of March. This period might start when some championships start again after the winter break and might also coincide with the March Madness bonus period that was considered to be an excellent betting tradition of the past.
3. There is a 3rd period that affects value betting and not arbitrage. Arbitrage works perfectly but not value betting. Read some more about the end of season effect here:,4303.msg49619.html#msg49619

I discussed many times with very experienced players about periods 1 and 2, but we didn't manage to find a solid explanation. The 3rd period is something that needs to be further discovered.
Any views and opinions will be much appreciated.
General talk about betting agents / Re: Comparing services and offers
« on: June 21, 2017, 01:39:01 PM »
I m examining several factors including fees, reliability and ease of use. This is my personal opinion of course.
People depending on betfair should put AsianOdds at the end of the list.
General talk about e-wallets / Re: E-wallets and CRS
« on: June 20, 2017, 04:51:13 PM »
my biggest concern is PayPal... Not sure if they report from 2016... TIN is still not provided. Maybe they report(ed) without it?

PayPal hold a banking licence from Luxembourg. We don't know the time frames set by the tax authorities of Luxembourg. This is key information.
Arbing and trading talk / Re: Do you enjoy arbing
« on: June 20, 2017, 07:30:52 AM »
Typical Yorkjoss.
General talk about e-wallets / Re: E-wallets and CRS
« on: June 17, 2017, 07:44:41 PM »
N26 bank realised they need tax ID number and are asking all the customers, even past ones , to add that information by 30th of June. Good luck with that!!

This is a German bank. We don't know what their deadlines are. HMRC is responsible for the UK and their deadline was 1st of June.
Bookies discussion / Re: Pinnacle's return to UK
« on: June 16, 2017, 03:01:25 PM »
Here is a statement from our Pinnacle manager:

Unfortunately we still do not have any further news regarding the UK license and have just been told that I can be any day now, but no confirmed date!
We literally have all of our material ready to go but without the green light it is just sitting on hold.
Kind regards,
Other investments / Re: Other ways of making money online
« on: June 16, 2017, 10:50:53 AM »
The forum can tolerate a negative according to its opinion behavior against it, up to a certain point.
Bookies discussion / Re: Problem with 1Bet2Bet
« on: June 14, 2017, 03:04:58 PM »
Well done, hope you get paid soon.
Newbie's questions / Re: exchanges/brokers
« on: June 14, 2017, 09:01:08 AM »
. Brokers on the other hand, they don't want arbers, because their model is based on losses and not on volumes. A serious broker would discourage you from using his services the minute he realises that you are arbing.

I never would have thought that.

As brokers only offer "sharp" books and exchanges, I would assume that any bets fired into Pinnacle or an exchange will give the broker an edge over time.   Bets even made by stupid gamblers on Pinnacle will funny enough always get reasonable odds because Pinnacle are never out of line?

I think I mentioned before, but will say it once again. Pinnacle and likes don't like volumes coming from agents. The reason is that this is the sharpest action of all. That is why we see Pinnacle reducing limits to accounts coming from agents. That is why we see agents reducing their Position Taking and leverage. That is why we see a number of smaller agents to consciously opt not for looking for trading and arbitrage action, simply because their business model will be ruined.
Of course small fishes do exist, but their number is limited in agents and unlimited in high street bookmakers.
Pinnacle is out of line in some markets but they are not pulling over. They choose to limit their exposure by reducing wagering limits, instead of cutting off the market. Take a look at smaller leagues and smaller markets. Take a look at basketball, volleyball, ping pong, or even B class football championships.
Newbie's questions / Re: exchanges/brokers
« on: June 14, 2017, 08:52:06 AM »
3)It costs enough having another house  and if you do not have a good capital and not enough winnings in a year,maybe in the end lose money due to renting.Except you rent the house for 3-4 months so that you do not pay too much in order to get the name of utility bill,.

But no one  is going to rent you a house  for 3-4 months and especially if you are not from the same country. Also rumors said that even private vpns are detectable so in this occasion you may rent a house and cannot also bet via vpn,which is a disaster.
And if anyone thinks that by renting a house abroad can get access to much more bookies,if they catch you that you bet via vpn may confiscate winnings.

You are not describing how big the burden is, but how small your business are. Sorry.
Newbie's questions / Re: exchanges/brokers
« on: June 14, 2017, 08:50:06 AM »
2)As you said in other post also arbers paid pc at betfair,but i believe finally they will have winnings from arbing even paying pc.

Make no mistake, pc makes betfair a co-owner of your business, and in some cases, the only owner and you work for a salary.
Newbie's questions / Re: exchanges/brokers
« on: June 14, 2017, 08:48:24 AM »
1)So in conclusion dont you think broker is a must(Also if you live in a limited coutry)?Dont you think only betfair... maxbbet,sbobet,betisn are top bookies and some of these books have better odds than pinni and much more matches if i am not wrong,with some stake limits.Smaller leauges at pinni especally live 10/100 juice is too much,

My opinion is that a brokers is a must for various reasons.
First of all you get the best available odds. Combine it with the cash back that our members are getting and you see the difference.
You get more choices from more bookmakers. There are some hidden asian bookmakers, not known in the wider public offering better odds in some occasions compared to the mainstream big names. Some times they can also be used supplementary in order to push higher bets when you badly need that, without moving the lines significantly.
Arbing and trading talk / Re: Do you enjoy arbing
« on: June 13, 2017, 08:22:41 PM »
That was the good old days when many became wealthy.
Skrill / Re: Changes in Skrill verification procedure
« on: June 13, 2017, 12:30:49 AM »
Contact me on Skype when you see me online.
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