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got high limits and rev share need advice on best use
« on: December 02, 2013, 09:42:49 PM »

Hi
 First I have had my share of deals with bookies because am agent and i divert lots of local traffic to few of them via (shop-accounts) and luckily had good deals with some reputable names as well...
 Aside from those I have more spice from lesser names
 
For example a bookie listed here and called betshop, but in reality not listed in the arbing service anywhere to add that bookie OR maybe i dont know the real name whom odds match (still couldnt catch manually)
Betshop aside from allowing me to place any type or limit, offers me 5% TURN OVER extra !
 Yes i know his odds are low but if i can find a -2% arb, thats still +3% arb to me.
Another local bookie whom Odds match with VBET, offers me rev share and NO CARRY over,
 Vbet clone is actually working well with me versus Bet365.
Bet365 on turn offers me better than the normal deal but still with carry over as expected but at least not closing me down.
 an odds matrix member site got me on also better than regular deal and carry over but again cant find much arbs for jetbull (clone) ,

 So in short with No limitations on bets, and more than guaranteed payouts to me are : bet365 =revshare, a Vbet clone +revshare no carry over, a Jetbull Clone+revshare, and a Betshop Clone + 5% Turnover deal...

 Where can i get arbs for those ? especially betshop i cannot find anywhere !
Also, any different advice that can be used with the above combo for a really "longterm profit ?"
 
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Re: got high limits and rev share need advice on best use
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2013, 09:53:59 PM »

Hi lachamade,

We have tried to add BetShop to our system but they don't want to send their feed, they are too much "cautious" ( I don't know if it is the right word, sorry for my english ) so we haven't been able to add.

Maybe if you know any other website with the same or almost the same odds we can try to add to the service.

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Re: got high limits and rev share need advice on best use
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2013, 10:01:06 PM »

Very strange post.

You have the ability to get unlimited accounts and a revenue share from Bet365 but dont know how to arb ?
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Re: got high limits and rev share need advice on best use
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2013, 10:11:56 PM »

A trap?
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Re: got high limits and rev share need advice on best use
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2013, 01:24:06 AM »

Hi
 First in response , no its not a trap, whats to trap ? am looking for advice and if its accepted am ready to tip very well for the best tip.
 Two, i dont know how to arb, i do sure bets based on monitors, but not trading if you know what i mean, i mean nothing with risk involved like live betting and stuff, no i dont have experience in that at all, am good with computers, am a php programmer too, i have my share of business, but to this, am new, and am trying to fast track....

 My opportunities were created because i had a load of customers, well invested, and lately I made them convert into gambling via my affiliate links, where they happened to be high rollers, stupid gamblers and eventually am making good share of REV SHARE most days, but in some black months, where favorites decide to make parlays all win, that come with the cost of no revenue to me, and sometimes another month to recover (due to high wins)

 So yes, now am trying to explore my given chances, into a new world, where i actually have to work myself into this...
So i know the concepts, the basic tricks, I subscribed into some monitors but as pescu23 responded, one of the accounts that is very tempting, i cannot seem to compare to any other bookie (so i can sure bet for example and get the 5% guaranteed TO deal).

 Two the Vbet feed and again dont know whats the limits in speaking freely here, but i only found on another service than here advertised on this site, so i subscribed there and am arbing what i find versus bet365.

 Then it seems again i forgot to mention the downside to this, i cannot have a pinnacle or betfair (unavailable in my country) and if they are i will fall into EURO conversion too thats another thing to worry about , all my accounts are USD now.

 One thing i found and might be aiming for is Bet365 versus WILLHILL, always nice surebets it seem but then again, my question is not how to sure bet using monitor services, but if rather how to take advantage MOSTLY of :
1: 5% of betshop turnover ( their prices arent that well pre-live and cannot seem to find a match to their odds)
2: the Vbet clone (30% revshare NO CARRYOVER) which I only find 1% arbs per day 1k limit, am placing like 5-10 surebets to make a 100, and sometimes only 0.xx% and am even playing those not to waste a penny but still seems low for the amounts invested
3: The oddsmatrix site as well, which also seems low odds and only slightly better than betshop. ( Best revenue share deal but with carry over )

 If this is sounding too good to be true to you, indulge me and let me know why ?
 How much info am i allowed to reveal, you ask and be my guest to receive relevant answers...
Again, your advice will be much much appreciated and considered the way you want it to be considered :)
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Re: got high limits and rev share need advice on best use
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2013, 02:12:23 AM »

@pescu23,
 Well from my experience this is what i could do (to your question regarding similar sites)

A reverse IP match will show the following :
    www.stoiximan.gr
    www.bet365.gr
    www.callbet.gr
    www.fiestabet.eu
    www.magicbet.com
    www.stoiximan.gr
    www.pyrsosbet.com


@betshop.gr
@betshopcasino.com
@casinomode.com
@exnds.com
@goalslive.com
@montecarlo7.com
@crownbet.net
@fiestabet.eu
@pyrsosbet.gr
@betshop.com
@betshopgames.com
@mc7casino.com
@magicbet.com
@b-vegas.com
@b-games.com
@betbetty.com
@goalsextra.com
@pyrsosbet.com
@callbet.gr
dns.betshop.gr
dns.casinomode.com
dns.magicbet.com
dns.montecarlo7.com
mail.betshopgames.com
mail.fiestabet.eu
mail.mc7casino.com
mail.pyrsosbet.gr
ns1.goalsextra.com
ns2.exnds.com
mail.crownbet.net
dns.b-vegas.com
dns.betshop.com


 I checked and their LIVE feed is goalsextra which is again traced to sbtech , which again seems same LIVE odds and even software as 10bet .
 However, thats not what am looking for, Pre-live doesnt seem to match any of those ! so ... am still not in luck finding who they take feeds from.
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Re: got high limits and rev share need advice on best use
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2013, 11:39:40 AM »


For sure they are copying the odds from somewhere, I will take a look later today or tomorrow and let see what can I do.
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Re: got high limits and rev share need advice on best use
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2013, 12:26:02 AM »

Ya you might know that but I also know for a fact what deals I have
We have crazy deals going on in my region and I've got the best of them
As I said am an agent who divert huge traffic and I get crazy offers and limits
None the less I don't find 5% there much their odds are low and in simple theory it's already 5% less than others so paying me 5% isn't that amazing unless I find at least 0% arbs to use on
 Ps: 5% is one deal I have another from them I can take for
3% single , 6% double bets, and 10% on parlay 3 bets or more

Again am looking for best way to use this , not whether I have the deal or not ...  And since you think it's that crazy come on get your best idea and have a share as long as we milk this ;)
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Re: got high limits and rev share need advice on best use
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2013, 02:39:44 PM »

perhaps it's true ,
the short way cheeper without limit is to clam or complaint against
1- gambling commission(who give the licences)
2-bookies
why to have more bodies betwen punter and bookmakers?
how many $$$ you must give to bodies between? and how many $ to pay a lawer? if we are 100 punters we can pay 1000 euros each for aply the LAW
I am sure that all punters understand what I mean
Why do you click Acept terms and conditions when creating a new account if you do not agree with those terms ?
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Re: got high limits and rev share need advice on best use
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2013, 07:54:51 PM »

perhaps it's true ,
the short way cheeper without limit is to clam or complaint against
1- gambling commission(who give the licences)
2-bookies
why to have more bodies betwen punter and bookmakers?
how many $$$ you must give to bodies between? and how many $ to pay a lawer? if we are 100 punters we can pay 1000 euros each for aply the LAW
I am sure that all punters understand what I mean
Why do you click Acept terms and conditions when creating a new account if you do not agree with those terms ?
my post is term and condition are UNFAIR and not ACCEPT or NOT ACCEPT 2 things differents:
we are in XXI century and not before midle age
because you can see only before uour NOSE  what will happend if you don't accept T and C?
if i dont accept terms and conditions then i dont open new account on that bookmaker... Should i complaint why some bookies require first withdrawal to bank accounts ? Should i complaint why some bookies dont welcome arbers ,Why some other are small bookmakers that cant take big bets ?? I open new accounts only in bookmakers that i am sattisfied with the profit i can gather from.
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Re: got high limits and rev share need advice on best use
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2013, 01:46:39 AM »

however betshop has good payout in some leagues like up to 93,33 % that is good compared to some bookies
as far as i know, they offer commission on net profit and not on d voluume but probably u have a different deal
from your words it seems u r a have very experienced agent, with paritcular deals, a lto of customers but it seems strange that someone like u with so much experiecne can't take advantage of a revenue of 5%
im not sayign u r telling us lies but it sounds a ltitle strange, nada mas
I truly understand you, and yes I consider myself experienced and I am making fine profit monthly especially compared to where am living, the thing is as you said 93% is not enough, it still goes up to trading to make things happen, I like to believe in Math better, not trading and not relying on 0.01% chance i can get trading a goal up or down or score to screw me up.
 Mathematically speaking take any odds from betshop :
Lyon - Toulouse    1.85       3.35    4.50     --> -5,77% 
And remember Ill take only lets say One side of those so i would get a return of 5% out of what i play on lets say Lyon.
 ANd that will not make the difference.
As i said also, since a parlay makes 10% TO for me, it can work, using a 3-way calculation on a parlay with 3 games each on different time, then upping against stakes as if the second stake is Originalstake*Odds1 , and so on *odds2 on my second bet...
 That will make me use higher amounts but for actually very low profits compared to the deal, my only hope would be actually if I can end up winning some or most parlays (this way the OTHER side where am hedging will be even better returning me 30% rev share or even more ).
 In Simple words, since 5% hardly covers the VIG it forces me to use the 5% profit in advance for covering the other 2 sides of the bet, which eventually keeps me at very very low margin of profit, which leads to hopes I can be better gambler and ending with those 0% arbs on a loosing side on an affiliate part (example: the draw or underdog in the above example)

 What am looking for is more stable thing, this is why i was basically looking for Betshop "ODDS FEED" so i can get 0% arbs automatically and eventually keep placing those arbs for 5% profit, and leaving the 30% rev share for chance to spice things up !....

  Finally, sometimes it could seem someone is over thinking this, and maybe I am this is why am throwing this for help, and if i wanted to rely on my judgement of being a better gambler, I will really hope I can find an ever loosing formula to my best deals, such as 40% rev shares I have with some.
 The most irritating thing i am dealing with is that Odd Lines from those bookies I have amazing deals with are almost non existant in arbing example : vbet , oddsmatrix and betshop !, and for those monitors that i tried over here and there, I can find ONE of the above to match with bet365 and willhill ...
 My dream would become true if I find a monitor that actually have all five together ! ( cant use betfair where I am plus hate to rely on liquidity that much )
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Re: got high limits and rev share need advice on best use
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2013, 10:57:48 AM »


can you show  T and C of  only ONE bookmkar where it is written:ARBITRAGE FORBIDEN?



well there are things like this, but in other words, for example at bet365  T and C for bonus at opening a new account:

Where any term of the offer or promotion is breached or there is any evidence of a series of bets placed by a customer or group of customers, which due to a deposit bonus, enhanced payments, free bets or any other promotional offer results in guaranteed customer profits irrespective of the outcome, whether individually or as part of a group, bet365 reserves the right to reclaim the bonus element of such offers and in their absolute discretion either settle bets at the correct odds, void the free bets or void any bet funded by the deposit bonus.

All bet365 offers are intended for recreational players and bet365 may in its sole discretion limit the eligibility of customers to participate in all or part of any promotion.
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Re: got high limits and rev share need advice on best use
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2013, 11:21:56 AM »

bookies are dirty by nature isservilles,

If they could they won't let you bet in the winning leg
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Re: got high limits and rev share need advice on best use
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2013, 11:07:07 PM »

1: Please stay on original topic of my discussion
2: Arbitage is not forbidden, but i can tell you one thing for sure and i know people who work in companies and confirm this 10000%, they have in terms that they can decline service to anyone without questions, so when they decide this user can end up profitable from their website, they simply refuse to serve him, bookmakers are in business of making money, and they can simply stop any user they "consider" can be a loss... end of story there.
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Re: got high limits and rev share need advice on best use
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2013, 09:43:32 AM »

I have read the bwin terms and conditions and saw there at 14. that, among others, they have zero tolerance against players who are betting on all possible outcomes of a game or event. Ok, they don't use the term "arbitrage", but I would say they refer to the same behavior. Please don't get me wrong, I am of course fully on your side, I just wanted to show that they are covering themselves with their terms.

(i apologize for the offtopic)
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