bet to win vs flat stake

Pages: [1]
Author Topic: bet to win vs flat stake  (Read 2214 times)
testez
Has some experience
**

Karma: 8
Posts: 116


View Profile

testez

bet to win vs flat stake
« on: March 29, 2014, 09:38:15 PM »

id like some inputs from experienced arbers/bettors on this issue. ive seen BET to WIN promoted against FLAT STAKES a few times and id like to know what are the differences.pros and cons.
thanks
Logged
Arbusers
Administrator
Pro
*****

Karma: 312
Posts: 2525



View Profile WWW

Arbusers

Re: bet to win vs flat stake
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2014, 09:06:26 AM »

The to win amount is when you are doing value betting. Because there is no mathematical guarantee that you will win each stake, the to win amount guarantees that you will not lose a disproportional amount of money if 1 stake is not a winner.
Logged
testez
Has some experience
**

Karma: 8
Posts: 116


View Profile

testez

Re: bet to win vs flat stake
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2014, 03:31:44 PM »

its clear that u lose less, but u win less also.. does it produce better results in terms of profit then flat staking ?(in the long run)
Logged
Arbusers
Administrator
Pro
*****

Karma: 312
Posts: 2525



View Profile WWW

Arbusers

Re: bet to win vs flat stake
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2014, 05:36:37 PM »

its clear that u lose less, but u win less also.. does it produce better results in terms of profit then flat staking ?(in the long run)

When you are doing value betting, you already have an edge against bookmaker. What you are looking here, is to maintain this edge and not losing it.
Logged
cristi13
Probably a Pro
****

Karma: 5
Posts: 313


View Profile

cristi13

Re: bet to win vs flat stake
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2014, 05:50:44 PM »

The profit is the same percentage-wise, the difference being risk management, which is closer to optimal using "to win amount". If you plan to use very short odds i suggest combining it with a maximum risk cap.
Logged
ArberPro
Has some experience
**

Karma: 9
Posts: 175



View Profile

ArberPro

Re: bet to win vs flat stake
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2014, 07:17:14 PM »

By to win amount you mean
example
odd 4 X 5 stake =20
odd 2 x 10 stake=20
or to win the same amount at all odds
odd 4 x 5 stake= 20
odd 2 X 15 stake =30
?
Logged
testez
Has some experience
**

Karma: 8
Posts: 116


View Profile

testez

Re: bet to win vs flat stake
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2014, 07:59:32 PM »

By to win amount you mean
example
odd 4 X 5 stake =20
odd 2 x 10 stake=20
or to win the same amount at all odds
odd 4 x 5 stake= 20
odd 2 X 15 stake =30
?

ive met this term here on the forum and if i understand it correctly its your first case. your stake + profit is always the same. someone correct me if im wrong.
Logged
anormal1992
Getting better
***

Karma: -11
Posts: 239


View Profile

anormal1992

Re: bet to win vs flat stake
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2014, 09:21:28 PM »

By to win amount you mean
example
odd 4 X 5 stake =20
odd 2 x 10 stake=20
or to win the same amount at all odds
odd 4 x 5 stake= 20
odd 2 X 15 stake =30
?

ive met this term here on the forum and if i understand it correctly its your first case. your stake + profit is always the same. someone correct me if im wrong.
The payout is always the same on to win amount. For example always trying to win 300 euros from every bet. It shoud me 100 euros x odds 3 , 50 euros x odds 6,    150 euros x odds 2 ect. So, the stake = The amount to Win / odds.
Easy story with flat stake. Example : every bet stake is 100 euros.
Logged
belor
Newbie
*

Karma: 0
Posts: 3


View Profile

belor

Re: bet to win vs flat stake
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2016, 09:05:08 AM »

Hi,

I read some of the topics on this subject, but I haven't found a firm response.

1) For a said value of 2% on all bets more or less well distributed in the 1.5/3 range, If I always "flat" bet 100, and if I always bet "to win"100, will the profit be the same for the 2 options in the long run ?

2) If most of my bets are in the 1.5/1.9 range, is it better for me to "bet to win" ? Also in term of minimizing the effects of variance ?

Thank you.
Logged
Pep004
Getting better
***

Karma: 0
Posts: 210


View Profile

Pep004

Re: bet to win vs flat stake
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2016, 02:41:30 PM »

I understand it that way.. If he had avg. stake somewhere around 14€ then he probably bet 52,63€ on 1,90 to win 100,00€. But well.. Are not stakes like 52,63 etc. also risky?
Logged
cristi13
Probably a Pro
****

Karma: 5
Posts: 313


View Profile

cristi13

Re: bet to win vs flat stake
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2016, 08:15:37 PM »

I understand it that way.. If he had avg. stake somewhere around 14€ then he probably bet 52,63€ on 1,90 to win 100,00€. But well.. Are not stakes like 52,63 etc. also risky?

Don't be foolish, these are just guidelines, who in the hell will bet 52.63 because that's what your system tells you. You bet 50. The whole point is don't bet more than X...
Logged
Pages: [1]
Print