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Pinnacle or Betfair
« on: January 14, 2015, 04:41:52 PM »

Evening gentlemen

Talking Soccer 1x2 exclusively - what bookmaker do you find sharper - Pinnacle or Betfair?

I have read in a book written by Joseph Buchdal, that Betfair's odds would be closest to the fair odds, as there is no "lean" on Betfair.

What do you think? Up until now I have used Pinnacle as a sort of benchmark - to evaluate whether or not a bet is EV+. However I have now started to doubt if Pinnacle actually is the sharpest of the sharps.

What do you think?
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Re: Pinnacle or Betfair
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2015, 05:01:54 PM »

Betfair will have the sharpest price but if you take commission into account then it's Pinnacle.
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Re: Pinnacle or Betfair
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2015, 05:38:08 PM »

Pinnacle
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Re: Pinnacle or Betfair
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2015, 05:56:42 PM »

SBO is sharper in soccer
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Re: Pinnacle or Betfair
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2015, 05:22:56 AM »

The thing about SBO is that they have quite Big margins and I do not think that the margins can be added proportionally to the odds offered, as they tend to have quite low odds on the underdog.

Am I correct?
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Re: Pinnacle or Betfair
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2015, 09:10:34 PM »

Pinnacle is god of American Sports
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Re: Pinnacle or Betfair
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2015, 09:35:37 PM »

Pinnacle is easier to use as a benchmark because of their low juice in a variety of sports/lines. It doesn't matter so much whether they are always the sharpest or not.
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Re: Pinnacle or Betfair
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2015, 02:36:09 AM »

Pinnacle is easier to use as a benchmark because of their low juice in a variety of sports/lines. It doesn't matter so much whether they are always the sharpest or not.

I agree. However Betfair has no juice (when you do not include commission). Would not they be even easier to use as a benchmark?
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Re: Pinnacle or Betfair
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2015, 09:39:54 AM »

I'm somewhat leaning towards people but I can still see a number of people going with Betfair though.
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Re: Pinnacle or Betfair
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2015, 09:53:00 AM »

Pinnacle is easier to use as a benchmark because of their low juice in a variety of sports/lines. It doesn't matter so much whether they are always the sharpest or not.

I agree. However Betfair has no juice (when you do not include commission). Would not they be even easier to use as a benchmark?
Even without taking commission into account the book% isn't always near 100% but you can use Betfair if you prefer.
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Re: Pinnacle or Betfair
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2015, 02:12:38 PM »

Pinnacle is easier to use as a benchmark because of their low juice in a variety of sports/lines. It doesn't matter so much whether they are always the sharpest or not.

I agree. However Betfair has no juice (when you do not include commission). Would not they be even easier to use as a benchmark?

Betfair fotball lines are the sharpest - you can use them as a benchark. 
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Re: Pinnacle or Betfair
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2015, 07:07:53 AM »

Betfair fotball lines are the sharpest - you can use them as a benchark.

Not always. When odds on favourite on soccer matches are between 1.80-2.30 then asians (pinnacle, sbo) have better odds.
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Re: Pinnacle or Betfair
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2015, 07:42:05 AM »

Betfair fotball lines are the sharpest - you can use them as a benchark.

Not always. When odds on favourite on soccer matches are between 1.80-2.30 then asians (pinnacle, sbo) have better odds.

If the lines at asians + pinn are better then at Betfair (assuming 0% commission), then by betting on the asians+pinn you will be a long time winner.
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Re: Pinnacle or Betfair
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2015, 04:06:08 PM »

It's worth bearing in mind Pinnacle have a lot of very clever people working for them (I know a couple and they are way smarter than most) whereas Betfair is mostly used by losers sitting in their underpants at a computer.
I know who'd I'd take as a true market line.
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Re: Pinnacle or Betfair
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2015, 07:28:10 PM »

Betfair lines are not made by guys in underpants (even though plenty of them is placing bets there), but by a very few market makers (I do suspect, that the Betfair itself is the biggest market maker there).
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