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How much an account can make?
« on: June 15, 2015, 06:18:47 PM »

Lately im trying to figure out how much an account-user can make with arbing. There are other threads here talking about % of the bankroll but i wanted to be more specific.

I know there are different types of arbing, different limits ,different bankrolls etc.
But i wanted to hear opinions here about how much an average account can make for as long as it will last.
For example an account from an European country, with a bankroll of 10 000 - 20 000 for example, pregame arbs on medium & high stakes.

I would appreciate hearing opinions for other examples as accounts from a Non European country, 50 000 bankroll pregame & live arbs , medium & high stakes etc.

The 4% or 10-15% of bankroll its a bit confusing to my mind as i dont think its easy to use 200-500 000 in arbing.

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Re: How much an account can make?
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2015, 09:34:34 PM »

It is hard to saying . It dependst on time , experience and how many ID are you using . For me its for big bankroll 10% -15% very realistic. I am from slovakia.
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Re: How much an account can make?
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2015, 11:32:11 PM »

Yes, it is very hard to define.
My first three months were pretty much equal in earnings, time spend nearby computer and efficiency of bookie exploitation (with not such a big bank - not even 10k). I made serious brakes (sometimes for days), used as sharp ones Matchbook, SBO and Pinnacle. SOft ones which I decided to use were WillHill, 5dimes, B365, 1xbellorusianbullsH*t, maraDon bet. every single of these limited bets at the end. as about particular earnings from each of them - let's say it indirectly that MaraDonbet (who limits fast) is like a goal with hand on World Cup final, and nobody reacts while you celebrate. three bets there are equal to long work on Dimes, William and others together for one month and more. Bet365 - around 500$ earning only - but tested them exaggerating with O/U corners, snooker, Russian underground handball, and Brazilian Shemale Division volleyball and stuff. 1Xbellorusiabet - 9 bets in total and got limited to 1$ (limit came after the first winning bet).
I know it's funny - but I am seriously thinking that one line from here, which was written by someone (I don't remember who),and which says that some people can get rich with constant exploitation of maradonabet only - is hardcore true. you only need tens of accounts.
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Re: How much an account can make?
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2015, 06:33:35 PM »

Thanks for the replies guys.
Im talking more for the 1 ID how much can make for as long as it lasts to the different situations i mentioned above and in other situations-examples also.

For example with a specific style of arbing, major leagues if it matters, high stakes , Europe "friend" etc.

I would appreciate other replies too.
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Re: How much an account can make?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2015, 02:43:05 PM »

Thanks for the replies guys.
Im talking more for the 1 ID how much can make for as long as it lasts to the different situations i mentioned above and in other situations-examples also.

For example with a specific style of arbing, major leagues if it matters, high stakes , Europe "friend" etc.

I would appreciate other replies too.

With only 1 ID you can not get so much money...Try to find more IDs for more accounts. Limit will come partly, but you can avoid that with so much IDs. That is from my experience and from my country which is for sure on "red coloured" in bookmakers.
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Re: How much an account can make?
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2015, 05:00:17 PM »

probably im not explaining well some things here..
Because im asking for 1 it doesnt mean i will have 1.
So for as long as it lasts this 1 how much it can make in the different examples i mentioned?
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Re: How much an account can make?
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2015, 08:52:11 PM »

1 ID will only last so long. If your smashing clear arbs probably not so long. You just need to be 'creative' I guess.
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Re: How much an account can make?
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2015, 02:06:53 AM »

1 ID will make between: $1000-->$1,000,000

Suppose you start with $10,000-$20,000 . You make 10-20% and everything is fine and good until, after 6-12 months. Laws change, payment processor backs out of your country. A sports-book declares bankruptcy, your country of residence changes its' laws.

Okay so let's make the assumption -
1) Payment Processors never change
2) Bet amounts are consistent (not limited, but even the "non-limited accounts will have a bet limit of ~1-5k depending on game)
3) Laws never change
4) Sportsbooks never go out of business
5) Withdrawal and deposit methods are always on-time never delayed (Delaying = tying up funds =frozen capital = stagnating ROI)


We still need to account for : "How does a sportsbook decide when or when not to limit". (Another range of factors).

I'm assuming you're asking this question because:
1) You're curious whether it is worth your time
2) You don't want to invest your personal time and $$ if the "Average amount profitable" is less than X-(What you deem enough)

3) You're curious as to how much money other people made/ are making



You're not getting any answers because there is no average. For there to be an average you need to assume :
1) everyone who arbs with an account is following same method
2) everyone who arbs will publicly announce the amount they have made



If Person A comes in and says : "I made $1,000,000" - All he does is either 1) draw attention that does not benefit him. 2) force him to expose his methods at the risk of being called out as "bull-shitting".
- If Person A comes and shares his methods how he was able to make more than "the average". That method will not work anymore. It's a Zero-Sum scenario.

Average.
Person A makes: $1,000,000
Person B makes  $5,000
Person C makes  $1,000
Person D makes  $3,000
Person E makes  $2,000

The average is :$202,000.

So Let me ask you some questions-
Do you think that people who are doing sports arbitrage are distributed evenly?
Suppose the average is "X/Y/Z" Do you think that number even applies to you?

"Average out of context is meaningless". Sports-Arbitrage or even Sports-betting for that manner will never be transparent it's a Zero-Sum scenario. Unless everyone shares their exact methods, how many bets, which sites, bet amounts, time before banned, total profit, roi, etc. The "Average" is a worthless number.



You may be asking the wrong "question", because even if the number (average) was given to you.

-Nano


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Re: How much an account can make?
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2015, 11:22:30 AM »

First thanks for the great reply & sharing your thoughts.

Yes we assume that mistakes will not happen & some things dont change for few months that the account will last.

I didnt ask someone to tell me what he makes or to expose himself.
I just asked for as long as the one ID can last how much he COULD make if he had a balance of 20 000, or 50 000 or 200 000, was from Europe, or out of Europe, betting on high stakes or medium stakes, takings lower than 3% arbs or higher than 3% etc etc.
From my experience soft books react the same for customers from Europe arbing with a specific style. So for example an bet365 account can last for 1-2 months taking arbs with 5%. Betvictor can last 1 week taking arbs 5-8% arbs, Betcity 1 day etc. Thats an example.

So to A specific style , balance , % & stakes from Europe will make around X amount.
To B specific style, balance, % & stakes for Non European account will make around Y amount.

At least thats how i can think about it. As limits happens with a specific way from bookies side, i think there is an average that someone can make to a specific style he acts too.

For example from my experience some bookies limit from the first few bets. So from the 10-20 bookies lets say the half of them will limit really quickly making not much profit from the first week.
Tested in few accounts with different styles.

Im asking to know how much an account can make so i can know how much I can make with the X accounts i can have & no out of curiosity of how much others are making.

"You're not getting any answers because there is no average. For there to be an average you need to assume :
1) everyone who arbs with an account is following same method
2) everyone who arbs will publicly announce the amount they have made"

As some people as using a same method thats what im asking for. How much they can make with a specific method to different examples so as you stated in this case there is an average.

Im sure no one will share many secrets to explain to me how he works.
But i made few examples so he can leave a reply and a thought about the examples i made & no to expose himself.

As for the examples about the persons you made.
Person A after testing X accounts in Europe, 20 000 balance. made 10-15 % in X months or made around 2000-5000 for example.
Person B after testing X accounts out of Europe, 50 000 balance made around 7-10% in X months or made around 5000-10000
Person C after testing X accounts in Australia, 100 000 balance made 5%.
Person D after testing X accounts in Zimbabwe, 2000 balance made 20% etc.
So as you see the question is how much can be the average in the different examples separate & no to see the average of all the examples together.

"So Let me ask you some questions-
Do you think that people who are doing sports arbitrage are distributed evenly?
Suppose the average is "X/Y/Z" Do you think that number even applies to you?"
No people doing sports are not distributed evenly thats why the question applies to the average of the different persons separately.
Yes i can be in the all above examples.

Maybe the average is a worthless number as you are saying in the end of your reply but as i was thinking there is one so thats why i made the question.
 
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Re: How much an account can make?
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2015, 12:36:22 PM »

It also strongly depends if you have VPN service configured or not. I believe it could at least double your income.
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Re: How much an account can make?
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2015, 10:11:19 AM »

because of using more bookies you mean or for another reason?
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