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Re: Otobet
« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2016, 10:20:37 AM »

i'm waiting too...
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« Reply #31 on: November 23, 2016, 05:41:19 PM »

any update? someone got paid?

i saw on the site that there was some kind of ownership change, now the site refers to "Biz Bay s.r.o. | Biz Bay s.r.o. registered under the: Karpatske Namestie 10A, Bratislava, CP - 83106, Slovakia"
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Re: Otobet
« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2016, 11:54:14 AM »

bbc_standard_quote">any update? someone got paid?

i saw on the site that there was some kind of ownership change, now the site refers to "Biz Bay s.r.o. | Biz Bay s.r.o. registered under the: Karpatske Namestie 10A, Bratislava, CP - 83106, Slovakia"

Somebody posted on SBR on 19/11/2016 that they got paid $4250 after a 5 week wait so there may be some faint hope for people waiting: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3324168-otobet-payout-help.html

The change of ownership of the site is a big red flag. A lot of scam sites over the years haven't just gone off-line, a lot of them have firstly changed ownership before going off-line, with the site going off-line very quickly after the change of ownership. I expect it's to do with trying to distance the previous owners from any legal case etc. The same happened with GR88.com. They sold to a penny stocks trading company and very soon afterwards they had and still have a maintenance page up on their site which they've had on there for many months which to all intents and purposes means GR88.com has run off never to be seen again.

I expect the same thing will happen very soon with Otobet.com going off-line never to be seen again. All that can be said is that this didn't come on suddenly and the red flag warning signs were there for many months before all of these slow-pays starting coming. And the same thing can be said for pretty much every scam site that has ever existed in that for players that were vigilant, saw the warning signs early enough and acted on them to get their money out immediately, there was always enough time to get your money out of these bookmakers for these vigilant players before these bookmakers stopped paying.

So the lesson to learn is, become one of these vigilant players, continually keep up to date with the latest information regarding bookmakers, spot the warning signs early enough, act on them and get your money out immediately when you see these warning signs in order to avoid getting stiffed.
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Re: Otobet
« Reply #33 on: November 24, 2016, 05:17:49 PM »

Biz Bay s.r.o. IČO: 47582189 is company ltd. ,
 Its residence adress - Karpatské námestie 10A, BA is building, where virtual headquarters of companies is provided by company MojeSidlo s.r.o.
 Owner - Matúš Barna is a man from east Slovakia, who owns at least 12 companies. Previous owners of these companies used him as a straw man, who covers their illegal activities. He has no knowledge, he has no documents of "his" companies.  Police and tax officials cannot reach him in his residence. He may live in america, or possibly is already killed.
  Biz Bay s.r.o. never had a gaming licence anywhere. I suspect this company was never in any relation with Otobet. All player's cash is in pockets of Otobet founders.
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Re: Otobet
« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2016, 07:11:05 PM »

yes we are all waiting that they go offline, i'm waiting it since about 3/4 months but they are still online so i keep hoping.

As regards the ownership change this is what i could provide http://www.orsr.sk/vypis.asp?ID=326811&SID=2&P=1

yes there is this name Matus Barna, and there is another name, Ing. Jaroslav Cech, i don't know how these informations can help us but it's still something, there are also some addresses and names of other companies. I also find out another thing putting the company name on google, there is this site that should be related to biz bay too http://www.artpressfoto.com/en/
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Re: Otobet
« Reply #35 on: November 24, 2016, 07:11:50 PM »

bbc_standard_quote">Biz Bay s.r.o. IČO: 47582189 is company ltd. ,
 Its residence adress - Karpatské námestie 10A, BA is building, where virtual headquarters of companies is provided by company MojeSidlo s.r.o.
 Owner - Matúš Barna is a man from east Slovakia, who owns at least 12 companies. Previous owners of these companies used him as a straw man, who covers their illegal activities. He has no knowledge, he has no documents of "his" companies.  Police and tax officials cannot reach him in his residence. He may live in america, or possibly is already killed.
  Biz Bay s.r.o. never had a gaming licence anywhere. I suspect this company was never in any relation with Otobet. All player's cash is in pockets of Otobet founders.


are you from slovakia? how did you get these informations?
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Re: Otobet
« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2016, 09:36:53 PM »

bbc_standard_quote">93 surebets processed via Otobet during 30 days so far and no limitation. As written above, accepting odds is sometimes slow and quite often it is better to place four bets for 50 euros instead of one for 200. I think they charge withdrawals (only first is free of charge), however this didn't happen to me so far.

Are you referring to live bets being slow to accept?  or even pre live?
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Re: Otobet
« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2016, 10:55:38 PM »

bbc_standard_quote">
bbc_alternate_quote">Biz Bay s.r.o. IČO: 47582189 is company ltd. ,
 Its residence adress - Karpatské námestie 10A, BA is building, where virtual headquarters of companies is provided by company MojeSidlo s.r.o.
 Owner - Matúš Barna is a man from east Slovakia, who owns at least 12 companies. Previous owners of these companies used him as a straw man, who covers their illegal activities. He has no knowledge, he has no documents of "his" companies.  Police and tax officials cannot reach him in his residence. He may live in america, or possibly is already killed.
  Biz Bay s.r.o. never had a gaming licence anywhere. I suspect this company was never in any relation with Otobet. All player's cash is in pockets of Otobet founders.


are you from slovakia? how did you get these informations?

Yes,I am from SK. Selling companies to the straw men is commonly used scheme to avoid investigation of tax crime.
Official info on Barna is from bussines registry of SK. Link already is here somewhere.
My personal opinion - Barna an his company has nothing to do with Otobet. Contact adress on the site is just to make a mess in the heads of players. Real Otobet owners just wait for new deposits, never to pay winnings.
Has anybody screenshots with old Otobet contacts ? This would help a little in case of prosecution. But Canbet owners were never prosecuted and never will.
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« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2016, 11:04:19 PM »

bbc_standard_quote">
bbc_alternate_quote">
bbc_standard_quote">Biz Bay s.r.o. IČO: 47582189 is company ltd. ,
 Its residence adress - Karpatské námestie 10A, BA is building, where virtual headquarters of companies is provided by company MojeSidlo s.r.o.
 Owner - Matúš Barna is a man from east Slovakia, who owns at least 12 companies. Previous owners of these companies used him as a straw man, who covers their illegal activities. He has no knowledge, he has no documents of "his" companies.  Police and tax officials cannot reach him in his residence. He may live in america, or possibly is already killed.
  Biz Bay s.r.o. never had a gaming licence anywhere. I suspect this company was never in any relation with Otobet. All player's cash is in pockets of Otobet founders.


are you from slovakia? how did you get these informations?

Yes,I am from SK. Selling companies to the straw men is commonly used scheme to avoid investigation of tax crime.
Official info on Barna is from bussines registry of SK. Link already is here somewhere.
My personal opinion - Barna an his company has nothing to do with Otobet. Contact adress on the site is just to make a mess in the heads of players. Real Otobet owners just wait for new deposits, never to pay winnings.
Has anybody screenshots with old Otobet contacts ? This would help a little in case of prosecution. But Canbet owners were never prosecuted and never will.


this is the page of casino-atlanta, same contacts of old otobet https://casino-atlanta.com/en/support
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Re: Otobet
« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2016, 11:27:23 AM »

bbc_standard_quote">
bbc_alternate_quote">93 surebets processed via Otobet during 30 days so far and no limitation. As written above, accepting odds is sometimes slow and quite often it is better to place four bets for 50 euros instead of one for 200. I think they charge withdrawals (only first is free of charge), however this didn't happen to me so far.

Are you referring to live bets being slow to accept?  or even pre live?
Who cares whether over a year ago Otobet were slow to accept live bets or pre-match bets, it doesn't matter whatsoever.

You shouldn't even be considering placing any bets at Otobet with the state of play being such a complete and utter mess.

If you've got any money with Otobet, request a withdrawal of your full balance immediately and submit an SBR complaint etc, or if you don't have any money with Otobet, don't go anywhere near them whatsoever.

Whether they were slow at accepting live bets or pre-match bets over a year ago is a completely pointless question to ask.
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Re: Otobet
« Reply #40 on: December 25, 2016, 08:26:14 PM »

hi, i'm waiting 500€ till 18 otc...  no reply to my many mail... i remember that some week ago there was many telephone number.. someone have got it???
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« Reply #41 on: December 25, 2016, 11:35:10 PM »

go here https://casino-atlanta.com/en/support

it was the same, but telephone numbers are not active i guess...
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« Reply #42 on: January 06, 2017, 11:11:16 PM »

here's there's a group on facebook where a guy that has been scammed from otobet is trying to gather all people scammed by otobet and start some kind of legal action, please join it....

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1816566628601158/
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« Reply #43 on: January 18, 2017, 11:06:32 AM »

bbc_standard_quote">go here https://casino-atlanta.com/en/support

it was the same, but telephone numbers are not active i guess...

No response...
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« Reply #44 on: January 20, 2017, 03:57:05 PM »

bbc_standard_quote">Thank you luctens. I was still doing all that and now i'm waiting  response from sports book review and from Skrill. In the while i'm writing and writing to them but never they answer...

I had similar experience with bet-52 bookmaker and when I contacted Neteller, that their client (bet-52) is scam, they couldn't help me anyhow...
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