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terrible community
« on: November 18, 2015, 04:59:43 PM »

I tried to write something here, but im done. I've been in trading/poker/investment communities for years, met lot amazing and helpul guys , some even in person all of them were great people.
But what i see here is unreal, people are unfriendly, unhelpful don't wanna share any ideas/helps/experiences. 2 guys i met in person, they basically were totally same. Guess you all think arbing is huge secret and you are selfish or are  you nerds?
I'm done here. I don't care.
Shame on (almost) all of you here.
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Re: terrible community
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2015, 05:39:55 PM »

Hey, why don't you start sharing your secrets?
Dont come back with profile #434, OK?
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2015, 06:10:28 PM »

We are competitors, no doubt. More "secrets" disclosed in public forum means more competitors. Bookmakers are hammered by thousands of sharps, and become sharper and rogue.
This forum can be useful, every information about bookie rogue behaviour or financial problems is valuable. But nobody will share info on weak lines he found, and technic of arbing them. There is too much of his own work in it.
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Re: terrible community
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2015, 06:21:43 PM »

What is 434?  And what stupid question is that? How newbie can share "secrets" ?

I was happy to share my secrets in trading/investments/poker that i was doing for years and made some big money. I was helping for free or even coaching people for free because i just wanted to "give" something back what've learned. Also i had site about trading for free with 10mil+ views. Without income. So don't fcking judge me.
Also mine job was quite asocial(as yours), so it was great to socialise with people interested in same things.

I wasn't expecting exact tips for crazy awesome middles. I was asking for basic things that i thought i will find here faster than on google. And make my time moneymanagement more effective. Then i realised you are just unfriendly and unhelpful here, like those guys i met in person.

Anyway, i ll win with or without you. But your community is sad and worst I've ever seen.

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Re: terrible community
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2015, 06:27:58 PM »

How newbie can share "secrets" ?

You are not a newbie when:
i had site about trading for free with 10mil+ views.

I've been in trading/poker/investment communities for years
I m always open for lessons on ethics, so please go on.
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Re: terrible community
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2015, 08:55:31 PM »

I said that im newbie in arb world, obviously.

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Re: terrible community
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2015, 08:57:18 PM »

Who do you think you are that you can come here to insult the members of our community??
Treat people with respect if you want to be respected!
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Re: terrible community
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2015, 09:18:18 PM »

I'm just a random guy who saw "enough" here. And from my experiences, arb community is worst so far I've ever seen. In person and online.
That's all.
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Re: terrible community
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2015, 10:15:13 PM »

Arbing for a living is tough.  I've seen many try and the vast majority give up and fail.  Those who persevere usually do well but it takes a LOT of time, effort and money.  Most people here have made it without outside help and use the forum for some tips and tricks, but you have to do the hard work on your own.  After all, as stated above, we're all kinda in competition with each other.
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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2015, 10:22:45 PM »

what do you expect? strategy what will bring you 300 eur per day with minimum bankroll? or what tell us. Just look at some wise guys here, we are real, we are making thousand monthly, what more you need for motivation? experience with bookmakers try value, middles, affiliate, cashbacks, arbitrage find the way.

 :o or just sit front of PC and spend you time with crying
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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2015, 11:25:48 PM »

I know it's a tough business. Trading / poker / investments that I was making great living of it are not different. It's also tough as hell. Everything has huge advantages and disadvantages. I never gave up and didn't fail. But i know ton guys like that. I do everything 100% passionately or don't even bother.

Obviously i'm not retarded and don't expect i ll make 500$ with 200$ roll.
I've started with just about 5000$ for test and made like 11% in a 1st 2weeks with some(mine mostly) mistakes. Everything i googled and few i found here. But ton things i can't find actual info. Some were really out of date.Obviously i don't have a lot of bookies yet, obviously i get limited on few bookies already. But some specific infos like "betsson doesnt worth it , cuz  it's slow n shitty soft" i havent found it here or google and had to try+lose some money. I dunno why it was problem to tell newbies like me some reasonable combo of bookies and some random basic info im constantly looking for, but it's usually really out of date, I ll get there no matter what sooner or later, it just costs money n energy/time. So help would be really awesome and it doesnt ruin ur or mine arbs. Obviously i found pinny/bet365/marathon etc and all famous but there are still ton bookies i haven't found or don't know specifics yet.

Many sites about arbs are mostly like "click our affil and get the fck out" and offers 0 value back. So i found good affil deals/rb deals for myself instead, for sure.

So yeah, obviously i understand your fear about "omg another arbing guy" but market is really big and somebody (probably) helped you as well.  Once we sit all the time behind the pc all day w worse social life than "standard" job offers, it's kinda sad you looked really unfriendly/unhelpful here as i've mentioned. Obviously i wasn't expecting 10pages msg "what to do and how"...
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Re: terrible community
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2015, 11:31:26 PM »

and about secret:  again, im a newbie but today I've posted few words - bug in betringer i found (and costed me a lot) and didnt have idea about that before. I'm happy to help.
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Re: terrible community
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2015, 12:12:53 AM »

What is 434?  And what stupid question is that? How newbie can share "secrets" ?

I was happy to share my secrets in trading/investments/poker that i was doing for years and made some big money. I was helping for free or even coaching people for free because i just wanted to "give" something back what've learned. Also i had site about trading for free with 10mil+ views. Without income. So don't fcking judge me.
Also mine job was quite asocial(as yours), so it was great to socialise with people interested in same things.

I wasn't expecting exact tips for crazy awesome middles. I was asking for basic things that i thought i will find here faster than on google. And make my time moneymanagement more effective. Then i realised you are just unfriendly and unhelpful here, like those guys i met in person.

Anyway, i ll win with or without you. But your community is sad and worst I've ever seen.

You should understand one thing in poker or trading its even better that there are more people=more money to earn by yourself but here we have only one money source and its bookies and we can only take one piece from them so more players automatically means less money for me or somebody else.
When i start valuebet/arb 6 years ago i had 20 bookies to milk and now i only have 4-5 more so you should understand that its impossible for me and i think others to share our knowledge about specific bookies.
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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2015, 12:56:39 AM »

Yeah i'd be really curious if there are some epic bookies you really can milk without always new ID's.
And in poker it's not that easy. New player doesn't mean he's bad(always), there are ton tough  guys you are not making money from or it's really tough. So about arbs, it's mostly just in gamble world ( i mean standard gamble betting, i don't call arbs itself gamble) and really huge % of ppl aren't really competion once they don't care about arbs or profitable way. Which in poker in 2015 is completely different. But gamblers in sports betting makes profit etc and ratio and ecology are quite healthy (poker ecology is being disgussed for years already, once there are big regs(profi players)/bad players ratio.
So i don't think you should worry about helping some ppl here in arbs yet.
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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2015, 07:10:10 AM »

I'm pretty sure i have wrote this before but since i can't find it in the forum i will tell it again. Coaching  at poker at trading etc is different than coaching at arbing.

Let me explain why, at poker or trading the coach will make you  understand what to do better, may erase leaks share a strategy or something but when the time comes to put them in play whatever you learned you are still making decision by your own, you can still make lousy decisions, you can still be outplayed, you can still lose money.

If a successfull arber take someone with basic understanding and some decent resources and you do  whatever he teaches  you that's it you beat the bookies forever (well not quite read ahead). It is like learning how to ride a bike, you may not learn new tricks by yourself like how to do wheelies but you can make a ride from time to time.

The problem is bookies are not charities they don't like to lose and you found the way to beat them consinstely. That means that you found they way to exploit their weak points whichever they are. The problem is that weak spot if it gets serious attention of being weak they will find the problem and fix it meaning there is no longer a weak point for you, your teacher or everyonelse else knew about it.

In this cruel bussness they are the pros and they are the suckers unfortunately, they only thing that separates them is the knowledge that every advantage they have, it will not last forever and they have to exploit it while it lasts, the sharing of that knowledge only shortens the period.

So anyone in this bussness who wants to be successful he has not only learn how to ride a bike, he has to do wheelies he has to learn how to jump with it from a mountain and eventually evolve to a point that he can ride motorbike and so on.

Recent example of advantage that got compromised 365 live asian markets hockey. It was good while it lasted we are on to the next.

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