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« on: November 21, 2016, 07:47:35 AM »

The list of people using Raid The Bookie and guaranteeing profits from the bonuses the bookmakers offer new users is growing every day!

There has been a huge increase in new users recently thanks to 'The Student Guide' featuring us in their annual publication. The guide is available in many stores across the UK (WHSmith's, Sainsbury's, Waterstones). However, we can exclusively share the digital version with you. It's available to view for free here: http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/107c70e3#/107c70e3/276.

We have also recently launched a free 'Hand Holding' service too. We are offering all users a personal walk through service for no charge! We really are dedicated to making you risk free cash at zero cost! We can do this via Skype, over the phone or even face to face (in select parts of the UK). You rarely see this kind of personal service from online companies! More information is available here: https://raidthebookie.com/HandHolding.aspx
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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2016, 11:50:28 AM »

The list of people using Raid The Bookie and guaranteeing profits from the bonuses the bookmakers offer new users is growing every day!

There has been a huge increase in new users recently thanks to 'The Student Guide' featuring us in their annual publication. The guide is available in many stores across the UK (WHSmith's, Sainsbury's, Waterstones).
which will make books even more paranoid and limit faster. Is it supposed to be good news for us >:(?
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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2016, 01:19:56 PM »

For people new to arbitrage and matched betting, yes. Bookmaker offers aren't going anywhere ... we have positive relationships with many of them and they are happy with what we offer. Long term, they win.
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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2016, 02:14:09 PM »

For people new to arbitrage and matched betting, yes. Bookmaker offers aren't going anywhere ... we have positive relationships with many of them and they are happy with what we offer. Long term, they win.
My concern exactly. And the only way for them to win in this scenario is by applying even stricter filters to sieve smarter guys out and limit them fast...
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2016, 02:26:13 PM »

Long term there is not enough money in the industry for all of them to win. End of the game is closer.
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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2016, 09:56:31 PM »

Long term there is not enough money in the industry for all of them to win. End of the game is closer.

You're not understanding my point here. They win when people turn from matched betting to risk betting, which believe me happens. I would say that approximately 40% of users where we have revenue share deals start off making a loss but over time they convert to risk gamblers. The bookmakers send out so many email advertisements to these users that they become regular gamblers it seems.

That won't be the case here with people on this forum but it's safe to say that the bonus offers aren't going anywhere. There's too much competition out there for that to happen too.
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2016, 12:08:47 AM »

When too many ppl start matched betting (we're talking mainstream) part of them (how big is part of the mainstream?) will become sharp-ish and books will need to get better at identifying and limiting them ASAP. It's as simple as that. Good for you, good for books, bad for arbers
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2016, 01:30:26 PM »

Some will take the easy £1000 or so, some will try hard and grab £2000 then give it up. Some will lose money due to a mistake etc   

Most will give up once the easy money drys up as A: They will spend their profit rather than build a float which is necessary, B: are too lazy or C: have no maths skills.
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2016, 02:02:19 PM »

Some will take the easy £1000 or so, some will try hard and grab £2000 then give it up. Some will lose money due to a mistake etc   

Most will give up once the easy money drys up as A: They will spend their profit rather than build a float which is necessary, B: are too lazy or C: have no maths skills.
I agree with you and I'm not afraid of a competition (as much as it's never welcome) from new arbers but the change in books attitude to limits if this thing becomes really massive... As if they were not paranoid enough already...
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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2016, 06:00:56 PM »

Some will take the easy £1000 or so, some will try hard and grab £2000 then give it up. Some will lose money due to a mistake etc   

Most will give up once the easy money drys up as A: They will spend their profit rather than build a float which is necessary, B: are too lazy or C: have no maths skills.

Well said - and this is exactly the types of people we are seeing who use our service and then go on to risk gamble.

Our service isn't putting anyone at risk but simply making it easier for the average Joe to make some money. If they then go on to gamble further then that's their call.

Strange really the negativity we get. Wonder if the other service providers here have the same feelings towards them.
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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2016, 01:13:21 PM »

Let's get this straight. You provide a completely free service to customers for doing sign up offers etc and the only way you make any money is from your users clicking through your affiliate links to bookmakers where you then get a revenue share going forward from the bookmakers for your customers' losses. But if you were any sort of reputable company, you would be showing customers that matched betting is the first step to other ways of smart betting and you would then be giving your customers the instructions to go forward with further smart betting such as arbing etc.

But you obviously don't do that, as if all your customers started doing arbing or whatever, they are likely to win off bookmakers in the long term so your revenue share deals would be in the red and you wouldn't make any money. So if your service introduced customers to matched betting as a start to various forms of smart betting and keeping them to doing smart betting and not mug punting, you wouldn't make any money whatsoever, and it's only if your service actually converts matched bettors into mug punters, only then would you make any money. So don't paint yourselves to be in any way helping the customer make any money, as your obvious clear aim is to tempt your customers in with matched betting, but ultimately in the end for them to convert to mug punters after that, as if they don't do that, you don't make any money, it's as simple as that.

You've said on this forum "Exactly why the newbies need our site when first getting into matched betting / arbitrage". You don't fool anybody, as it's easy to see that your site isn't there to get any customers anywhere near arbitrage. Your site is there to tempt the customers in with some matched betting money, and then your aim is not then for any of these customers to turn from matched betting to arbing, your clear aim is for your customers to turn from matched betting to mug punting, as that's the only way you'd make any money.

You've said "For every user who does matched betting and walks away, sadly there is another who gets hooked". There's no "sadly" about it whatsoever from your point of view, as it's only these players that get "hooked", that make you any money. So you don't fool anybody by trying to make out there's any "sadly" about it at all from your point of view, as you actively want your players to get "hooked" and become mug punters, as if they don't, you don't make any money, it's as simple as that.

You've also said "Strange really the negativity we get. Wonder if the other service providers here have the same feelings towards them." No, none of the other service providers listed on this site have the same negative feelings towards them as you do, and there's one very clear reason for that. All of the other service providers listed on this site universally support arbers/value bettors/smart bettors etc, as all of these service providers make money off these customers in various ways. You are the odd one out here, in that arbers etc are your enemy, as you don't make money off arbers etc, you lose money from arbers etc, that's the difference. All you're interested in is tempting customers in with matched betting, but then your aim is for your customers to then become mug punters, as you only make money from mug punters, and you lose money to arbers etc.

I'm extremely surprised that Arbusers have let you even post on this forum in the first place, as you're the only service on this forum where arbers etc are actually your enemy, not your friend. You're absolutely no different to any of the other affiliates out there, as in the end, your only income comes from mug punters, so shame on you for dressing yourself up as helping customers make money, as all you really want to see is for them to become losing mug punters in the end.
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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2016, 01:50:32 PM »

Luctens, your entire post is based on the assumption they get their money from a revenue deal.  What about them having a deal where they get a fixed amount per signup?  The bookmakers know very well a certain percentage of their users will make money off of them, but for every 5 signups they lose some money at, they could gain 1 genuine punter that would make them x times that amount back over a longer period.

I see no reason to condemn a service for this business model...there is nothing "bad" about it.  They provide a free service for newbies and those newbies can make some money off of it.  If the service makes money from the bookie as well, that's fine.  If the bookie takes the risk of losing money from it, that's their problem but as long as everybody is happy with it...

Or are you saying they should send every subscriber a mail after they finish the deals to encourage them into "taking out all money from the bookie accounts" because they should not place punts and could lose money that way?

Don't condemn a service because some of their users might get hooked, if those users are stupid enough to start betting the regular way it's not this service's fault.

If you are going to condemn every person with a signup or affiliate link to a casino or bookmaker site, this is the last service you should start at because at least they try to get a majority of their subscribers in the black.
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« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2016, 01:53:18 PM »

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Luctens, your entire post is based on the assumption they get their money from a revenue deal.  What about them having a deal where they get a fixed amount per signup?

I always assumed it was a flat rate per referral - how does the affiliate know what kind of turnover one of their referrals makes?

A flat rate makes more sense for both parties IMO

Maybe Nikos can confirm?
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« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2016, 01:54:29 PM »

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Luctens, your entire post is based on the assumption they get their money from a revenue deal.  What about them having a deal where they get a fixed amount per signup?

I always assumed it was a flat rate per referral - how does the affiliate know what kind of turnover one of their referrals makes?

A flat rate makes more sense for both parties IMO

Maybe Nikos can confirm?

Most soft bookies have a flat rate per signup.  Others, like the sharps (sbo, maxbet, pinnacle etc) give a small % on the turnover.
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« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2016, 02:41:30 PM »

Luctens, your entire post is based on the assumption they get their money from a revenue deal.  What about them having a deal where they get a fixed amount per signup?  The bookmakers know very well a certain percentage of their users will make money off of them, but for every 5 signups they lose some money at, they could gain 1 genuine punter that would make them x times that amount back over a longer period.

I see no reason to condemn a service for this business model...there is nothing "bad" about it.  They provide a free service for newbies and those newbies can make some money off of it.  If the service makes money from the bookie as well, that's fine.  If the bookie takes the risk of losing money from it, that's their problem but as long as everybody is happy with it...

Or are you saying they should send every subscriber a mail after they finish the deals to encourage them into "taking out all money from the bookie accounts" because they should not place punts and could lose money that way?

Don't condemn a service because some of their users might get hooked, if those users are stupid enough to start betting the regular way it's not this service's fault.

If you are going to condemn every person with a signup or affiliate link to a casino or bookmaker site, this is the last service you should start at because at least they try to get a majority of their subscribers in the black.
RaidTheBookie having revenue share deals is not an "assumption" whatsoever. If you would just bother to read the rest of this thread, you would see they said: "I would say that approximately 40% of users where we have revenue share deals start off making a loss but over time they convert to risk gamblers."

You say "If the service makes money from the bookie as well, that's fine." That's not fine though, as by you saying if the service makes money off the bookie, that means that the service is making money off the bookie as a percentage of the customers' losses, therefore it's in RaidTheBookie's interests for as many of their customers as possible to turn from matched betting to mug punting, so that isn't "fine" at all. The only "fine" services in the smart betting community are services that universally support arbing, not a service that has arbers as their enemy.

You ask "Or are you saying they should send every subscriber a mail after they finish the deals to encourage them into "taking out all money from the bookie accounts" because they should not place punts and could lose money that way? "

I'm not saying that the service should tell the players to withdraw all of their money whatsoever, what a service like this should be if they are actually serious about making customers' money like they say they are is a feeder onto more advanced smart betting, so they should be advising the players to keep the money in the betting accounts and then advise them on the next steps to take to make further money off the bookmakers through arbing etc. But of course that's where RaidTheBookie's mask comes off, as instead of them being a feeder to more advanced smart betting, all RaidTheBookie are interested in is being a feeder to mug punting.

You say "Don't condemn a service because some of their users might get hooked, if those users are stupid enough to start betting the regular way it's not this service's fault." I'm simply saying that a service that paints itself as helping customers win money but then makes it their business model that their way of making money is through players getting "hooked" and losing mug punters completely shoots their credibility to the floor and shows them in their real light. And obviously with RaidTheBookie not wanting their players to go through to doing arbing etc whatsoever, they therefore don't advising them in any way about further smart betting techniques after matched betting, and that would contribute to punters floating off to mug punting. The very simple thing is that after the players do the sign up offers etc, then it's not RaidTheBookie's aim to then advise on further smart betting techniques like they should be if they were actually interested in making punters' money, they're sole interest and aim is then for as many of their customers as possible to turn into mug punters. Again, not credible in any way whatsoever, it's unethical and it's immoral.

I'm not "condemning every person with a signup or affiliate link to a casino or bookmaker site", but RaidTheBookie is different, in that it tries to dress itself up as a site that helps the punter take money from the bookies, but that's not true whatsoever, as all they want to do is to get the matched betting out the way and for these customers to become mug punters off the back of matched betting, as that's the only way they'd make many money. They are no different from any other affiliate site, in that they only make money off mug punters, but RaidTheBookie are the ones trying to dress themselves up as a site that is different from other sites in that it's aim is to help punters win money, whereas their only aim is to get the matched betting out of the way and for as many of their customers as possible to turn into mug punters, as the only way they make any money is from losing mug punters.

I've got no particular problem with sites that advise on matched betting, but these sites need to be advising on matched betting with a view to then move customers onto more advanced smart betting, otherwise they lose all credibility whatsoever in the smart betting community. If RaidTheBookie were doing that, then no problem whatsoever. But they're not doing that whatsoever, they're advising on matched betting only with a view for punters to then turn to mug punting so they're no different to the rest even though they try and paint themselves out to be different than other sites by saying that they are aiming for customers to win money off bookmakers, but in reality, they're only interested in losing mug punters, as that's the only way they make any money.

It is most definitely extremely strange indeed that RaidTheBookie are advertising themselves and have been allowed to advertise by Arbusers on an arbing forum when it is very clearly the case with RaidTheBookie that arbers etc are the enemy and only mug punters are their friends.
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