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shanoARB
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Lose my bankroll?
« on: March 27, 2012, 09:52:43 PM »

Hi guys,

I hope for an advice from the senior guys out here.

The situation is the following: Started arbing on 10bet, however after I accumulated some winnings with their sign up offer, they've limited my account quite a lot. That's a common problem, however they have one of the shittiest bonus conditions and now my balance is restricted with most of my winnings.

What would the best way to lose my bankroll on their website and transfer it other websites?
Any suggestions will be appreciated?

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Nate
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Re: Lose my bankroll?
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2012, 06:21:41 AM »

live-bets or Casino
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Re: Lose my bankroll?
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2012, 09:25:05 AM »

I am not sure what you are saying in your post.

I think you are saying you have accumulated winnings with 10bet but have not yet completed ROR and
consequently cannot request a withdrawal without having those winnings confiscated (I guessing this is
in their T & Cs - i have taken heed of the warnings on other forums and stayed well clear so have no personal experience).

It may also be that there is an approaching cutoff date by which you have to meet ROR T&Cs or face losing
your all winnings.

You have an unpleasant dilemma.

I would suggest that you consider finding 0%-0.1% (or even small negative) arbs where the outsider is at 10bet.
And cross your fingers that the favourites win ...

Obviously if the outsiders win then you accumulate more in 10bet and exacerbate the problem - like i said 'unpleasant'.

I think the live betting comment by MUCHBET relates to limits, it may be that your limits are not applicable to live bets and so you
will be able to move larger sums.

Not sure how a Casino will help, you would be gambling and I wouldn't have thought Casino stakes would contribute to
sportsbook ROR

You could just abandon the winnings and learn a painful lesson for your next id - RTFM
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Re: Lose my bankroll?
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2012, 10:40:34 AM »

I got limited to 3-5 EUR on outsiders on shitty leagues and 20 eur on oursiders on major leagues. I have 90 days to complete the rollover and I have around 800 EUR in winnings.

I won't leave 'em for those assholes that's for sure  ;D

I was already able to transfer the winnings to casino and I'm left with bonus restricted amount of 150 EUR, which I will try to force-lose on Live betting.

Thanks for the advices. I'll keep you updated.

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Re: Lose my bankroll?
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2012, 03:30:19 PM »

It was a mistake using 10bet.
http://arbusers.com/index.php/topic,59.0.html
All forums raised red flags about them, but you were lured from their bonus.

Casino, live bets will be gambling.
Look what i suggest. Play poker with them using 2 different accounts, trying to have your players sitting in the same table. Make sure that the limited player loses all, while at the same time a non limited player is winning everything. 
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Re: Lose my bankroll?
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2012, 04:54:11 PM »

i had similar problem with allyoubet (clone of 10bet i think)

check at allyoubet posts
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Re: Lose my bankroll?
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2012, 06:46:52 PM »

What if you try to find games where many goals are expected (O2.5>U2.5) and bet for 0-0. Then Lay it in Betfair.
i don't know if this works, but that was my plan in case I had money "trapped".
Would this be considered a good "escape" strategy from the more experienced arbers?
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Re: Lose my bankroll?
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2012, 07:22:03 PM »

And if it ends 0-0?
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Re: Lose my bankroll?
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2012, 07:47:31 PM »

You are in deep shit!  ::)
I guess you have to study the odds, ie what is the percentage of games in England or Brazil with high scoring profile that end up 0-0? And I believe that normal arbing is no good if you are trapped with big money!
The poker solution sounds great, but  have no clue at all! I can hardly keep the cards in my hands!  ;D
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Re: Lose my bankroll?
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2012, 07:59:39 PM »

If it really is stuck in there, there's no point in trying to arb it out. If you do, that is effectively just the same as betting. With the 0-0 scenario above, why not just lay 0-0 - no need to bet at the bookie because if it wins you won't be getting it out anyway  ;D

In this case, I would personally approach SBR and make a complaint. They might increase your limits. Limiting people to such amounts when they haven't completed the WR really isn't on. Otherwise, just place as many bets as possible at evens and hope for the best....I'm not sure what your WR is...? Do they have some silly rule where only bets with your own money count towards the WR? If so, try and place as many bets as possible on events in the future until you are into your own money.

If either of those are not successful or feasible,  I would consider the poker option, but I'd imagine you've gotta know what you're doing with that...
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Re: Lose my bankroll?
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2012, 10:18:10 AM »

I don't see how much you need to bet to finish ROR, but I personally would do all arbs possible with them. Take everything there is from -1% up and you ll keep your bonus and winnings. Its hard work, but It's also about a principle. Don't leave them a penny.

Livebetting sometimes doesn't count for ROR, make sure it does, before you go for it.

Casino, you can try slot machines, most of times they will pay back like 90%, but this would be gambling, on the other hand you will lose the bonus and winnings anyway, if you don't complete the ROR.

Poker double play, no experiences here, but be careful (double accounts)
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Re: Lose my bankroll?
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2012, 12:36:06 PM »

What if you try to find games where many goals are expected (O2.5>U2.5) and bet for 0-0. Then Lay it in Betfair.
i don't know if this works, but that was my plan in case I had money "trapped".
Would this be considered a good "escape" strategy from the more experienced arbers?

No way. Arbing is all about probabilities stats and maths. Each outcome reflects a possibility that finally will be corroborated in the event which you are gambling in. Even if 0-0 odds are about 25.00 then there is a 4-5% on its favour. This simply means that you are not doing something more than simply gambling by using this strategy. I can recall an incident with Vistabet that a Greek player wagered a big amount on the 0-0 of Villarreal - Barcelona on odds more than 20...What happened in fact was that the game ended goalless and after all Sportingbet refused to pay him arguing some shitty reasoning. It is dangerous to be even more trapped. Be careful
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Re: Lose my bankroll?
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2012, 03:22:56 PM »

You are right, maths is not on our side and it is more like gambling. So I guess the only escape strategy would be "play the hell a lot of small arbs"!
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Re: Lose my bankroll?
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2012, 04:04:20 PM »

If you play heads up poker with two accounts you don't need any poker skills at all. Bet with the limited account, raise with the non limited one and fold with the limited player. But I didn't really deal with poker during the last years and it appears like an obvious fraud to me.  ;)
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Re: Lose my bankroll?
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2012, 08:31:56 PM »

Hi guys and thanks for your opinions on the problem.

First: Betting on 0:0 doesn't seem that good of an option. As I said I am limited to 3-5 EUR on small leagues. Probably the limit for 0:0 will be around 1 EUR LOL  ;D

@Poker idea: Sounds cool. However, I have worked in a gaming website and such action is considered money dumping. The security team can easily lock both the accounts.

As I said I have transferred the winnings to casino and it stays there for now. I have lost few 50 EURs on livebetting and then laying on BF. Almost done with the bonus restricted balance. Once I lose it all I think the bonus drops and then I can cashout. Of course I will play couple of casino/poker games just to make it a lil bit less obvious where the money is coming from.

And by the way, their bonus conditions are super sh1t. You place bets, however it doesn't count all of them towards the conditions. Only bets placed with the bonus restricted amount will count towards the conditions.  ;)

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