Arbusers

thomas wilson wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:54 pm

yes I have, I used guys from Greece for many years who Betfair provided with many Betfair accounts (2% comm') for their use, who would then find clients like me and take a large portion of the action (leverage) in the hope I'd have a losing betfair account, the guys I worked with were all Gentlemen, sometime they'd owe me many £k's sometimes I'd owe them similar but never had an issue with payments ever, even though everything was all based on trust.

To my knowledge Betfair stopped all agents with the exceptions of Orbit and other white labels. Do you think there are still guys around providing Betfair accounts with 2% comm?
And who the hell could offer leverage these days with all these fund passing schemes?
Lastly with ewallets acting like tax authorities or the police, the only way to send/receive winnings is cryptos. Is that correct?

Kreon wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:14 am

thomas wilson wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:54 pm

yes I have, I used guys from Greece for many years who Betfair provided with many Betfair accounts (2% comm') for their use, who would then find clients like me and take a large portion of the action (leverage) in the hope I'd have a losing betfair account, the guys I worked with were all Gentlemen, sometime they'd owe me many £k's sometimes I'd owe them similar but never had an issue with payments ever, even though everything was all based on trust.

To my knowledge Betfair stopped all agents with the exceptions of Orbit and other white labels. Do you think there are still guys around providing Betfair accounts with 2% comm?
And who the hell could offer leverage these days with all these fund passing schemes?
Lastly with ewallets acting like tax authorities or the police, the only way to send/receive winnings is cryptos. Is that correct?

betfair definitely had a massive clampdown about 2 to 3 years ago but the greek guys were finding ways round it, they certainly were always able to provide me with an account, the leverage worked great for me especially on lower liquidity markets as only had to sell a % of my bet, 1 in 5, 1 in 4 or 1 in 3 depending on how brave the Greek guy felt about your account...........I quit with these guys about a year ago when my action was slowing down and went back to my own Betfair, I assume they're still in business?

yes things got more difficult with Skrill but once i passed all their security, transactions were not a problem, their increasing charges were and i was changing everything from £ to euro and that became very costly and was a large reason for me ending my working relationship with the Greek guys, I never thankfully even had to consider crypto.

in my now finished arbing career, the single most smartest thing I ever done was to leave my betfair account (1.7%) and work with these Greek guys, for me it was a risky move to work with guys I never met, well, I did meet one, the first guy, in a hotel in London in 2016, famous Greek arber, he gave me confidence i could trust, my arbing profits for the next 4/5 years doubled from my previous years.

I m surprised with what you say Thomas but nevertheless I thank you for your answers.
Firstly I m surprised that Betfair is allowing this kind of action cause I m sure they have risks operating with these agents. Maybe your action was kept for them selves and was not forwarded to Betfair, can you tell? Did liquidity change when you were betting?
Then, these people should have an excellent profiling system to avoid manipulation from those who would take advantage of the extra liquidity. Did they allow you to place bets in tennis games for example?
And lastly, Skrill, maybe they were soft with you in the UK and maybe they were happy to get all these commission you paid with the FX fees but in my view they are very strict and ruthless and when they see an account having transactions with other accounts they become aggressive and they close accounts sometimes even seize your money.
Anyways, thank you very much for your posts, they make this thread even more interesting.

Kreon wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:19 am

I m surprised with what you say Thomas but nevertheless I thank you for your answers.
Firstly I m surprised that Betfair is allowing this kind of action cause I m sure they have risks operating with these agents. Maybe your action was kept for them selves and was not forwarded to Betfair, can you tell? Did liquidity change when you were betting?
Then, these people should have an excellent profiling system to avoid manipulation from those who would take advantage of the extra liquidity. Did they allow you to place bets in tennis games for example?
And lastly, Skrill, maybe they were soft with you in the UK and maybe they were happy to get all these commission you paid with the FX fees but in my view they are very strict and ruthless and when they see an account having transactions with other accounts they become aggressive and they close accounts sometimes even seize your money.
Anyways, thank you very much for your posts, they make this thread even more interesting.

of course the guys who provided these betfair accounts would choose their clients wisely and avoid "bad guys" if they can,
as for skrill, my account was with moneybookers for a few years before skrill, I had a long life with them, maybe that helped me?
the greek guys running these accounts would make all their transactions using skrill or neteller, that's a lot of money moving around.

I m sure Betfair agents (in the past) have been very careful in selecting clients, and they would stop anyone trying to abuse the system. I believe they can profile any player after 3-4 bets, pretty much exactly the same profiling like Betfair.

I read very carefully from post #1 and I have a question for Campeones or anyone else with experience in this matter.
We have seen markets opening and closing within a certain period of time. For example regulation could change everything. Shops opening or closing, online bookmakers opening and closing, etc. Have you seen a market that went completely broke after an event, and what happened to the people you had in that market? How did you use them from this point onwards?

thomas wilson wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:13 am

the greek guys running these accounts would make all their transactions using skrill or neteller, that's a lot of money moving around.

If the money is a lot, I am surprised to see PaySafe allowing this kind of business. Something smells bad here. PaySafe blocks accounts for absolutely no reason, how could they allow the transfer of millions from one account to another? I am sure you were not the only client they had. Were these accounts personal of merchant?

Goojybooboo wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 27, 2022 9:03 pm

thomas wilson wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:13 am

the greek guys running these accounts would make all their transactions using skrill or neteller, that's a lot of money moving around.

If the money is a lot, I am surprised to see PaySafe allowing this kind of business. Something smells bad here. PaySafe blocks accounts for absolutely no reason, how could they allow the transfer of millions from one account to another? I am sure you were not the only client they had. Were these accounts personal of merchant?

why does something have to smell bad?......I am unhappily retired now, I was talking past tense, an awful lot has changed for arbers but i can tell you that the Greek guys had many clients and yes for many years would be moving around a lot of money using skrill and neteller, it's a year or so since I last was a client, I have no idea of the situation today.

Goojybooboo wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 27, 2022 9:03 pm

If the money is a lot, I am surprised to see PaySafe allowing this kind of business. Something smells bad here. PaySafe blocks accounts for absolutely no reason, how could they allow the transfer of millions from one account to another? I am sure you were not the only client they had. Were these accounts personal of merchant?

You have a point here. PaySafe for the last 2-3 years is blocking accounts even for no reason. How could they allow the transfer of larger amounts of money P2P? There is only 1 word coming to my mind and starts with B.

blackjack wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:23 am

Goojybooboo wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 27, 2022 9:03 pm

If the money is a lot, I am surprised to see PaySafe allowing this kind of business. Something smells bad here. PaySafe blocks accounts for absolutely no reason, how could they allow the transfer of millions from one account to another? I am sure you were not the only client they had. Were these accounts personal of merchant?

You have a point here. PaySafe for the last 2-3 years is blocking accounts even for no reason. How could they allow the transfer of larger amounts of money P2P? There is only 1 word coming to my mind and starts with B.

what you just wrote starts with B.....you are seriously trying to say you know how paysafe behaved towards every customer,
what gives you this incredible knowledge Blackjack?

just because you read about negative experiences, you think this is 100% of the people, the people who don't have problems have no
need to write anything and don't, if you were as smart as you think you are Blackjack then you'd realise this.

I already wrote I have no clue about today but in the recent past (less than 2 to 3 years!) there were Greek guys operating with many clients and making on a weekly basis large and multiple transfers to their many clients using skrill or neteller.

I am pretty sure the owner of this forum will know about the guys from Thessaloniki

i think situation with Paysafe was pretty different 3 years ago. And I can confirm also from my personal experience. My 10years skrill account was locked around 3y ago for no reason and after that I heard tons of same experiences. Till 3y ago Paysafe was a serious company, then they became ultra s**t.

If this story was today I 100% wouldn't trust it, but as it exactly lasted till that company was a serious one in this business, well, I've no reason not to believe it

Camma23 wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:38 pm

i think situation with Paysafe was pretty different 3 years ago. And I can confirm also from my personal experience. My 10years skrill account was locked around 3y ago for no reason and after that I heard tons of same experiences. Till 3y ago Paysafe was a serious company, then they became ultra s**t.

If this story was today I 100% wouldn't trust it, but as it exactly lasted till that company was a serious one in this business, well, I've no reason not to believe it

my moneybookers (oh I loved the cashback)/skrill account was around 10ish years old as well and was never closed down, I left them (about 18months ago) because, they upped their currency exchange charges and were just getting too greedy, in the latter life of my skrill account I had to do enhanced verification but passed quickly, I don't know if I was still operating today if my account would still be allowed? but I can only speak from my experience..............people who don't have this particular problem are not writing on forums.

it is foolish for someone like Blackjack who wants to believe no one can use paysafe any more just because he can't, which of course is ridiculous.

Wondering what are you looking for in this forum while being retired. Are you looking to be active again Yorkjoss?

No need for a dog fight here. The B word I used is not followed by a U.
Hope that makes things clear.
Good night to all gentlemen.

I think he is talking too much and he is jeopardising business of other people. In his case I am sure Betfair is not happy to see someone speaking publicly about an agency they should never allow.
And PaySafe should not be happy to see someone speaking publicly about money transferring they should also never allow. He doesn't care of course because he is retired now.
Where is Campeones? Don't scare this kind of posters.