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What is the 4th African country?

Tanzania
10
29%
Ghana
11
32%
Other
13
38%
 
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Re: A gambling syndicate

Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:23 pm

The well and the wrong are two sides of the same coin.

Everyone can act in both sides, just depends on the circumstances.

So, in my opinion, is more probably to find the wrong side of someone, in the countries that have a worse general circumstances.

Of course, i don't say that people from Africa are worse than people from Europe. We just have a better environment that invites us to act in a good way. If sometimes in the future the general conditions goes worse, we will see how the people becomes more unreliable.
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Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:41 pm

If you will need someone from czech republic for cooperation hit me up ;)
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Re: A gambling syndicate

Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:37 am

I think I answered to all questions. Let me know if there is any question not answered yet.

I said before that regulation is not necessarily a bad thing for gambling. Being Eurocentric where every country looks to tax the air that we breathe we forget the rest 96% of the planet where many countries are gambling friendly. So whenever our European ears hear about regulation we usually run the other way. But this is not right.

Some years ago Colombia announced they would regulate the gambling market. Before regulation there was only anarchy where you could play in bookmakers but never be sure if you would receive your winning back. But even in this anarchy there was money to be made. Many syndicates were working with street bookmakers. Now there is a healthy environment with 13 bookmakers that you can play with. The number of bookmakers licensed in Colombia is bigger, but we selected 13 of them who are easier for value betting.

So we were trying to find our local head in Colombia as a starting point because we always start from grass route. We found our man in Medellín and we started making our plans. Yes I know what you are thinking about when you hear the word Medellín. This in not the case guys. We assembled a team and we traveled to Medellín. It took us quite some time to start our things with all the necessary network building and the gear needed for a safe environment. But while organising everything our lawyer in the city told us about some massive opportunities in the real estate sphere. I must say the opportunities were really massive and it would be a pity to let it go. So our bosses started another business in Medellín in real estate. Now the real estate business is bigger than gambling. We were lucky to be there during the golden years of the country.

To be fair I must also say that Colombia received a massive influx of immigrants from nearby Venezuela. No one knows the real numbers but they should be some 4 millions Venezuelans in Colombia. I know I will be mean but that was a blessing for us because we used this influx in our advance to help our business.

Why did we select  Colombia? We knew some syndicates were already in the country and there were many street shops with the usual slow odds. The country was away from Europe where most smart bettors are and we though that would be a virgin land. And we were right. Then arbusers wrote an article about Colombia. And after some years when we started working, BetBurger started covering a couple of bookmakers. I said before betBurger must be a bigger company than we all think. So when you see them covering a new country there must be a good reason. At that time most thought why the hell they cover Colombia. Who cares about Colombia?
Well now you know who cares about Colombia. And we have value betting, casino and real estate in this blessed country.
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Re: A gambling syndicate

Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:02 am

campeones wrote: I think I answered to all questions. Let me know if there is any question not answered yet.

I said before that regulation is not necessarily a bad thing for gambling. Being Eurocentric where every country looks to tax the air that we breathe we forget the rest 96% of the planet where many countries are gambling friendly. So whenever our European ears hear about regulation we usually run the other way. But this is not right.

Some years ago Colombia announced they would regulate the gambling market. Before regulation there was only anarchy where you could play in bookmakers but never be sure if you would receive your winning back. But even in this anarchy there was money to be made. Many syndicates were working with street bookmakers. Now there is a healthy environment with 13 bookmakers that you can play with. The number of bookmakers licensed in Colombia is bigger, but we selected 13 of them who are easier for value betting.

So we were trying to find our local head in Colombia as a starting point because we always start from grass route. We found our man in Medellín and we started making our plans. Yes I know what you are thinking about when you hear the word Medellín. This in not the case guys. We assembled a team and we traveled to Medellín. It took us quite some time to start our things with all the necessary network building and the gear needed for a safe environment. But while organising everything our lawyer in the city told us about some massive opportunities in the real estate sphere. I must say the opportunities were really massive and it would be a pity to let it go. So our bosses started another business in Medellín in real estate. Now the real estate business is bigger than gambling. We were lucky to be there during the golden years of the country.

To be fair I must also say that Colombia received a massive influx of immigrants from nearby Venezuela. No one knows the real numbers but they should be some 4 millions Venezuelans in Colombia. I know I will be mean but that was a blessing for us because we used this influx in our advance to help our business.

Why did we select  Colombia? We knew some syndicates were already in the country and there were many street shops with the usual slow odds. The country was away from Europe where most smart bettors are and we though that would be a virgin land. And we were right. Then arbusers wrote an article about Colombia. And after some years when we started working, BetBurger started covering a couple of bookmakers. I said before betBurger must be a bigger company than we all think. So when you see them covering a new country there must be a good reason. At that time most thought why the hell they cover Colombia. Who cares about Colombia?
Well now you know who cares about Colombia. And we have value betting, casino and real estate in this blessed country.
Colombia is insecure.

How do you manage the runners with the pocket full of money there?
And, how much you can bet on a street bookmaker there?
And, how much you can bet online? You have to bet on "pesos" or "dollars"?

And yes, Real State in Colombia is incredible. I know, for very well trusted people, returns in Real State even more than 20% year.
You can buy a house for 40.000$, close to the beach, and rent it via Airbnb. The returns are between 1000-1200$ every month. Of course right now all of this is stopped because of pandemic.

It's so curious how this third world countries offer a lot of new opportunities that first world countries doesn't. Latin America doesn't have houses, streets, undergrounds, trains...., doesn't have a lot of things that we have, and for this, they have a lot of opportunities to make business.
It's insecure if you go with 10.000$ in your pocket, yes. But, if you have your money in your bank account, you can make a fucking lot more money than here, in Europe, and with less investment. We are not talking about a country in war like Congo. What i say is just that we always are focused in doing business in countries with less returns, with a lot more money invested, full of taxes, and full of competitors. In those countries there are no people with money, there are a lot of business to be done, less taxes, and the returns are much more bigger than occidental countries.
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Re: A gambling syndicate

Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:21 pm

campeones wrote: I think I answered to all questions. Let me know if there is any question not answered yet.

I said before that regulation is not necessarily a bad thing for gambling. Being Eurocentric where every country looks to tax the air that we breathe we forget the rest 96% of the planet where many countries are gambling friendly. So whenever our European ears hear about regulation we usually run the other way. But this is not right.

Some years ago Colombia announced they would regulate the gambling market. Before regulation there was only anarchy where you could play in bookmakers but never be sure if you would receive your winning back. But even in this anarchy there was money to be made. Many syndicates were working with street bookmakers. Now there is a healthy environment with 13 bookmakers that you can play with. The number of bookmakers licensed in Colombia is bigger, but we selected 13 of them who are easier for value betting.

So we were trying to find our local head in Colombia as a starting point because we always start from grass route. We found our man in Medellín and we started making our plans. Yes I know what you are thinking about when you hear the word Medellín. This in not the case guys. We assembled a team and we traveled to Medellín. It took us quite some time to start our things with all the necessary network building and the gear needed for a safe environment. But while organising everything our lawyer in the city told us about some massive opportunities in the real estate sphere. I must say the opportunities were really massive and it would be a pity to let it go. So our bosses started another business in Medellín in real estate. Now the real estate business is bigger than gambling. We were lucky to be there during the golden years of the country.

To be fair I must also say that Colombia received a massive influx of immigrants from nearby Venezuela. No one knows the real numbers but they should be some 4 millions Venezuelans in Colombia. I know I will be mean but that was a blessing for us because we used this influx in our advance to help our business.

Why did we select  Colombia? We knew some syndicates were already in the country and there were many street shops with the usual slow odds. The country was away from Europe where most smart bettors are and we though that would be a virgin land. And we were right. Then arbusers wrote an article about Colombia. And after some years when we started working, BetBurger started covering a couple of bookmakers. I said before betBurger must be a bigger company than we all think. So when you see them covering a new country there must be a good reason. At that time most thought why the hell they cover Colombia. Who cares about Colombia?
Well now you know who cares about Colombia. And we have value betting, casino and real estate in this blessed country.
Is this place in columbia still good  to buy and rent propreties. What yield you had on propreties thair on those good years? I belive many people here would be also interested in  proprieties field in this forum.
I also had very interesting conversation with one guy from this forum few years ago. The guy was from south europe (spain or italy) and he moved to columbia (this was 4-6 years ago). He told me what he do (his team). But he also told me tht in columbia are not good oportuneties for betting. Probably we spoke mainly about online betting. I asume you 2 are conected :)
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Re: A gambling syndicate

Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:48 pm

Maybe in your countries, you have properties that have an agreed price with the state.

This properties are normally for poor people, and, in this countries happened the same, but, even with this low prices, people there cannot access to that buildings, so..., after some months, they open it for the general public, and foreign investors.

You have to study which cities have more visitors every year. Colombia is so good because is in the middle of the continent, and because the warfare is almost finished, so, tourism is going up every year.
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Re: A gambling syndicate

Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:12 pm

Can you tell us how much money your syndicate has for this business? Like millions, 10+ millions or more  8)
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Re: A gambling syndicate

Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:16 am

1.Are most of the countries you operate in Europe ?
2.Do you operate in the USA ?
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Re: A gambling syndicate

Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:57 am

campeones wrote:
I will tell you that a Nigerian associate will make 400 dollars in a month and at the end of the month he will have to pay our %.

It makes no sense to keep our money and go.
If a Nigerian associate makes 400 usd/pm, then he makes only half the median salary which is around 900 usd/pm. Now, if he pays your %, what is left for him ?. Perhaps, it makes some sence to them to take the money and go.

Thank's for this interesting topic. 
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Re: A gambling syndicate

Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:13 am

cem wrote:
campeones wrote:
I will tell you that a Nigerian associate will make 400 dollars in a month and at the end of the month he will have to pay our %.

It makes no sense to keep our money and go.
If a Nigerian associate makes 400 usd/pm, then he makes only half the median salary which is around 900 usd/pm. Now, if he pays your %, what is left for him ?. Perhaps, it makes some sence to them to take the money and go.

Thank's for this interesting topic.

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Re: A gambling syndicate

Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:18 am

I'm pretty sure he meant the associate makes 400 USD after he already paid the profit share so he would be left with 400USD.  While this may not seem like a huge amount, keep in mind it's not exactly a hard manual labour job.  Many people would love to do this as it beats working long hours at say factory or whatever.
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Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:21 am

Alfa1234 wrote: I'm pretty sure he meant the associate makes 400 USD after he already paid the profit share so he would be left with 400USD.  While this may not seem like a huge amount, keep in mind it's not exactly a hard manual labour job.  Many people would love to do this as it beats working long hours at say factory or whatever.
Not to a Nigerian, their mentality is completely different But Try
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Re: A gambling syndicate

Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:49 am

also people at betting shop are prepare to bet for you
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Re: A gambling syndicate

Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:50 pm

I am pretty shure when guys who  work for them sees that model is profitable they start to copy bets and bet for themself so their earnings could go much higher.
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Re: A gambling syndicate

Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:44 pm

kapetan1122 wrote: I am pretty shure when guys who  work for them sees that model is profitable they start to copy bets and bet for themself so their earnings could go much higher.
The same happened to me :) some years ago I decided to bet on shops through a guy to whom I gave some of my gain. Now we are practically colleague  ::)

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