Arbusers

legio wrote:

AlexNotman1 wrote: Your karma shows that people dont agree with you. Others got the right to have their own opinion right? I can say that I dont get why people like you dont respect that and keep complaining about people - like you said "whining". Are you paid by Betburger?

Its like a story about fixed matches. It was a goldmine few years ago. Almost all of them ended like they should end. But some people didnt care about solid, sure money and started lumping no matter if particular game was nailed on or not, they started huge snowball effect and now it's simply impossible to say is a game fixed or not just monitoring money flow or odds shifts. Some greedy people killed golden goose, screwed markets and now people like you come here and there starting statements "free market, adapt, stop whining". So Im telling you I've got a right to "whine" if I don't like some people attitude. And dont bother with "adapt" crap cause I've been adapting to markets changes since years, adapted and still make decent money, dont care about Betburger cause I will make what I make no matter what so don't tell us what we can or can't say.

Feel free to have your opinion about it, sure. As per my karma showing, lol, it's just some sore losers here who don't want to grasp the harsh reality of the free markets and the world, so they will press buttons and whine because their lifestyle of being parasites might come close to an end, lol  Life is hard, who woud've thought huh? No more bet365 accounts with Neteller for 40euro, no more easy verification on Paysafe, oh wow, what a pity, how will we live on now that some lazy parasites wont be able to live their good lifestyles?

Love it how you whine about the fixes being destroyed, the funny thing is there are a lot of fixes now as welbut it takes experience, connections, dedication and focus to profit from them.

p.s I am relatively a main player in fake "fixes" for some years, love it when clueless people think a match is fixed because some odd drops. lol.

bigtuna wrote: A developer would easily have been able to do this before, just by scraping Betburger. So essentially it should not make any difference.

CharlieSheen99 wrote: Do you know guys, how big is bot and locusts action in the betting scene?

I just can imagine a bot with maybe 1000's accounts at the same time, but, who knows....

And at the same time, i don't know how many bots there are in the betting scene right now.
With my own eyes, i just see seven bots running. All of them except one, with a lot of mistakes.

VidaBlue wrote: I wonder if accounts become much more vulnerable to ban when identical patterns are detected from multiple accounts ... Therefore, those who employ unique strategies on single accounts will last longer while the army of bots or click monkeys are being shut down. The bookmakers' derived attention on the locust schemes might bring peace to other sport bettors. If one is being banned WITH the bots, maybe it means that it was yesterday's strategy without uniqueness.

VidaBlue wrote:

bigtuna wrote: A developer would easily have been able to do this before, just by scraping Betburger. So essentially it should not make any difference.

Exactly. Have been using this method since 2016. But maybe it becomes more accesible to those programmers who don't want to deal with the hassles of scraping.

I wonder if accounts become much more vulnerable to ban when identical patterns are detected from multiple accounts ... Therefore, those who employ unique strategies on single accounts will last longer while the army of bots or click monkeys are being shut down. The bookmakers' derived attention on the locust schemes might bring peace to other sport bettors. If one is being banned WITH the bots, maybe it means that it was yesterday's strategy without uniqueness.

Knowing the whereabouts of the bots, might also be usefull for those who want trigger landslide movements knowing that the bots will take the bait.

arbusers wrote:

VidaBlue wrote: I wonder if accounts become much more vulnerable to ban when identical patterns are detected from multiple accounts ... Therefore, those who employ unique strategies on single accounts will last longer while the army of bots or click monkeys are being shut down. The bookmakers' derived attention on the locust schemes might bring peace to other sport bettors. If one is being banned WITH the bots, maybe it means that it was yesterday's strategy without uniqueness.

It was covered in the 2019 captain's log, but let me repeat that a very well known bookmaker considered to be the spearhead, awarded a company specializing in bot combating and detection, a very lavish contract. The results were astonishing. The vast majority of locusts are out of business. Our estimations show that 85% of bots are now retired.
This company offers bot management solutions that protects websites, mobile apps and APIs from malicious attacks like scraping, and account takeover. The word account take over is cleverly used to describe a number of activities, and it was firstly coined by another company who introduced a very dangerous cookie some 10 years ago. Experienced people understand what I am talking about.
To identify this ''account take over'' situations from locusts, this company used a technique called clustering. Accounts that had identical behaviour were profiled immediately and received a score that would not allow further betting. When 25.000 accounts bet at the same event at the same nanosecond, obviously this is not a coincidence. But even when locusts and their IT guys decided to switch to a more tailor made behavior, the company was/is one step ahead.

That is why I say that locusts received a direct hit and as previously commented, loocusts are channeling their energy to other sources as we speak but after more than a year of looking for solutions, they are still very giddy. We have seen locusts these last years jumping from one source to another. However, each jump is riskier than the previous. Locusts are burned from bots and I doubt they will return back anytime soon.
The best bots continue to operate like before but there is no way you could frame them as locusts, simply because the number of accounts they use is far smaller that the numbers that locusts used.

I am now informed that a 2nd well known bookmaker is using the same services, I am sure there are more bookmakers who are using clustering to stop locusts.

Wolfie wrote:

CharlieSheen99 wrote: Do you know guys, how big is bot and locusts action in the betting scene?

I just can imagine a bot with maybe 1000's accounts at the same time, but, who knows....

And at the same time, i don't know how many bots there are in the betting scene right now.
With my own eyes, i just see seven bots running. All of them except one, with a lot of mistakes.

Can you mention this bot developers ?

voodoo wrote: If betburger kill the martket with api, then alert services kill arbitrage, but who doesn't want a good alert service?
Betburger is good, but for 3-4 weeks they didnt manage to fix bet365 live arbs and some weeks ago wrong pinnacle arbs for many days, but generally they are good.
Oddstorm still offers only soccer? why not basket or tennis? so many years have passed and still the same situation there.
Betonvalue? pregame arbs are ok but where are the live arbs? I see very few live arbs there. Last year, for 10-12 months they didn't offer arbs from bet365, now they offer but not even close to what they offered 3-4 years ago.
Only betburger is evolving.

VidaBlue wrote:

bigtuna wrote: A developer would easily have been able to do this before, just by scraping Betburger. So essentially it should not make any difference.

Exactly. Have been using this method since 2016. But maybe it becomes more accesible to those programmers who don't want to deal with the hassles of scraping.

I wonder if accounts become much more vulnerable to ban when identical patterns are detected from multiple accounts ... Therefore, those who employ unique strategies on single accounts will last longer while the army of bots or click monkeys are being shut down. The bookmakers' derived attention on the locust schemes might bring peace to other sport bettors. If one is being banned WITH the bots, maybe it means that it was yesterday's strategy without uniqueness.

Knowing the whereabouts of the bots, might also be usefull for those who want trigger landslide movements knowing that the bots will take the bait.

Dirty Butcher wrote:

VidaBlue wrote:

bigtuna wrote: A developer would easily have been able to do this before, just by scraping Betburger. So essentially it should not make any difference.

Exactly. Have been using this method since 2016. But maybe it becomes more accesible to those programmers who don't want to deal with the hassles of scraping.

I wonder if accounts become much more vulnerable to ban when identical patterns are detected from multiple accounts ... Therefore, those who employ unique strategies on single accounts will last longer while the army of bots or click monkeys are being shut down. The bookmakers' derived attention on the locust schemes might bring peace to other sport bettors. If one is being banned WITH the bots, maybe it means that it was yesterday's strategy without uniqueness.

Knowing the whereabouts of the bots, might also be usefull for those who want trigger landslide movements knowing that the bots will take the bait.

Do you do anything in particular to extend the life of your accounts? I am using a bot which would bet c.400 bets per week using my criteria, however generally the account gets limited within a few days and closed shortly after which is not sustainable. If the accounts lasted even 3 weeks this would suddenly become very profitable. Would really appreciate any tips from your experience to extend the account life. Thanks