BET-IBC scam exposed - With proofs

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Re: BET-IBC SCAM EXPOSED - With proofs

Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:59 pm

BET-IBC Support wrote: Hello Forum Community!

In this post, we will try to clarify a few things.

A) „BET-IBC has to prove…“
There would be 2 ways to „prove“:
1) we can give you access to our bank account and show everyone who asks for what money we have or have not received, which is completely out of the question
2) we give everyone access to our email and ticket system that contain the conversations we have with bookies, payment providers and clients daily, which is equally not possible
Imo, if Betfair for any reason voided that bet, Bet-IBC holds no responsibility for it. No agent would cover that cost and i believe everyone understands this.

However,can't understand why you claim you are unable to provide the message from betfair regarding the reason of void.

Noone asked for your conversations you have with bookies, noone asked for access to your mail and ticket system etc. As you stated, betfair had informed you about the reason behind the void bets.

64k is big amount of money and proofs are needed imo. You can still sent a fullscreen screenshot with betfair's explanation regarding the voids to the admin here, no need for everyone to see it.
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Re: BET-IBC SCAM EXPOSED - With proofs

Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:18 pm

Couldn't agree more with apoel. Of course betIBC is not responsible if betfair voided those bets, but proof of this claim is necessary. Until such proof is successfully provided, betIBC's credibility and reputation are no the line.
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Re: BET-IBC SCAM EXPOSED - With proofs

Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:37 am

Is it just me or It is getting obvious Bet-ibc tries to misdirect the expected?

What is so difficult to prove the money is/was taken by Betfair. ?

Nobody is asking to see the entire ticket system or confidential information.

Just cover sensitive information (ie, staff name, or any other data irrelevant for us)

There are hundreds of wrong odds placed by rookie punters and bots (even by pros), surely Betfair doesnt return the funds back to them.

It is dog eat dog world. 

If there's a fund passing then there needs to be proof.

There is nothing to be shy or be concerned of hurting tennistrader's feelings if you share the info. He asks for it, as a matter of fact he challges you, Bet-ibc.

Not only that, a whole community is anxiously waiting for it.

Until I see the proof otherwise, tennistrader is indeed victimized by you.

Ps: You saying you make money from winners may be correct to a certain extend. As we all know, Betfair loves losers, hence you would too.

Are you guys taking position on players bets?
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Re: BET-IBC SCAM EXPOSED - With proofs

Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:14 pm

betmanforever wrote: Is it just me or It is getting obvious Bet-ibc tries to misdirect the expected?

What is so difficult to prove the money is/was taken by Betfair. ?

Nobody is asking to see the entire ticket system or confidential information.

Just cover sensitive information (ie, staff name, or any other data irrelevant for us)

There are hundreds of wrong odds placed by rookie punters and bots (even by pros), surely Betfair doesnt return the funds back to them.

It is dog eat dog world. 

If there's a fund passing then there needs to be proof.

There is nothing to be shy or be concerned of hurting tennistrader's feelings if you share the info. He asks for it, as a matter of fact he challges you, Bet-ibc.

Not only that, a whole community is anxiously waiting for it.

Until I see the proof otherwise, tennistrader is indeed victimized by you.

Ps: You saying you make money from winners may be correct to a certain extend. As we all know, Betfair loves losers, hence you would too.

Are you guys taking position on players bets?

No, you're not the only one.

What he is doing is called "throw dust in eyes".

So much blah blah blah and he forgot to explain why he DELETED my stakes!!!

At this point, I don't need from bet-ibc any "fake proof".

I'm in contacts with Betfair and they informed me that I just need the birth date and the security answer/question to confirm with me about that transaction.


30 minutes ago at bet-ibc live chat:

"Hi

You are served by Michelle

Hello, I'm Michelle

How may I help you?

are you aware of the arbusers threat?

I'm the tennistrader guy

are you there ?

You are served by TF Yana

yes we are

everything was informed to the email

ok, as you are so sure about your last post, I'm live with Betfair and I just need the security question to confirm the transaction

TF Yana terminated the chat
Michelle terminated the chat"
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Re: BET-IBC SCAM EXPOSED - With proofs

Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:28 pm

apoel81 wrote: Imo, if Betfair for any reason voided that bet, Bet-IBC holds no responsibility for it. No agent would cover that cost and i believe everyone understands this.

However,can't understand why you claim you are unable to provide the message from betfair regarding the reason of void.

Noone asked for your conversations you have with bookies, noone asked for access to your mail and ticket system etc. As you stated, betfair had informed you about the reason behind the void bets.
Take note that is the first time bet-ibc is talking about this game. I keep reading new statements from them at the same time as you.

The only reply's from bet-ibc was only "no news from Betfair", "no", "no news" etc...
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Re: BET-IBC SCAM EXPOSED - With proofs

Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:41 pm

BET-IBC Support wrote: A) „BET-IBC has to prove…“
There would be 2 ways to „prove“:
1) we can give you access to our bank account and show everyone who asks for what money we have or have not received, which is completely out of the question
2) we give everyone access to our email and ticket system that contain the conversations we have with bookies, payment providers and clients daily, which is equally not possible
I'm sure this will be possible in court. 8)
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Re: BET-IBC SCAM EXPOSED - With proofs

Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:01 pm

As far as am aware, one doesn't have to remember answers to the security questions. You may not remember them.

It is possible to provide them other answers instead, ie: email address in account, home address, last bets, current betfair points, date of birth etc. Insist that.

Bet-ibc terminating chat when you ask them that made it "even more obvious" they're hiding something.

Get this sorted by Betfair, they'll help hopefully.
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Re: BET-IBC SCAM EXPOSED - With proofs

Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:19 pm

I had to delete a post of a member that was intrusive for data protection.
This action is not altering the meaning and the tenor of what is mentioned in this thread.
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Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:56 pm

Tennistrader wrote:
Game page 1: Screenshot deleted by arbusers.com for data protection.
Game page 2: Screenshot deleted by arbusers.com for data protection.
Game page 3: Screenshot deleted by arbusers.com for data protection.
May I ask why you have a Russian-Moldovan female name on your Betfair account?
Call me sexist and racist, but that doesn't inspire too much confidence in your identity.
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Re: Betfair / bet-ibc moved 64K from my acc

Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:53 pm

sporco wrote: May I ask why you have a Russian-Moldovan female name on your Betfair account?
Call me sexist and racist, but that doesn't inspire too much confidence in your identity.
Was the sub-account that bet-ibc provided me.
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Re: BET-IBC SCAM EXPOSED - With proofs

Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:40 pm

BET-IBC contacted us once again bringing to our attention another issue of Data protection.
BET-IBC informed us that the account owner who’s account was passed by BET-IBC to Tennistrader ‘’did not agree their data to be published in your forum’’.

This time BET-IBC’s tone was escalated against our forum. We find this unfair to say the least. We were wondering how is it possible for us to even imagine that a 3rd party account was assigned to a client.

As a result, we again modified 2 posts where the name of the 3rd party was mentioned.
This action is not altering the meaning and the tenor of what is mentioned by the poster (Tennistrader).
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Re: BET-IBC SCAM EXPOSED - With proofs

Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:02 pm

Wow a 3rd party betfair account assigned to a client.  Screams scam, sod that!!!
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Re: BET-IBC SCAM EXPOSED - With proofs

Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:18 pm

dealer wins wrote: Wow a 3rd party betfair account assigned to a client.  Screams scam, sod that!!!
Even though these are not the best betting practises, there are certain conditions that wouldn't make it a scam. In addition, Tennistrader him/her self accepted this arrangement.
As a side comment for Tennistrader. If you do accept a 3rd party Betfair account to play with, you are not expected to have issues when sending money to a personal account belonging to an agent.
This is not a position against any party. It is just an ascertainment.
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Re: BET-IBC SCAM EXPOSED - With proofs

Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:38 pm

Many agents provide real Betfair accs, in most cases client is aware of it.

Data protection is one thing, 64k missing is more important though.

Would expect Bet-IBC to provide a proof that relevant bets were indeed voided from betfair. This is what mostly cares the community atm. 
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Re: BET-IBC SCAM EXPOSED - With proofs

Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:48 am

Opening and operating accounts for a third party is against Betfair's licenses and Anti Money Laundering regulations. It is prohibited by their Terms and Conditions as well:
Your Account

In consideration of our accepting your application to open an account, you represent to us (and acknowledge that we rely on these representations) as follows:

You are acting as a principal and not as an agent on behalf of a third party;

You will not attempt to sell or otherwise transfer the benefit of your account to any third party and nor will you acquire or attempt to acquire an account which has been opened in the name of a third party.
Source: https://www.betfair.com/aboutUs/Terms.and.Conditions/#
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