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Re: bet365

Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:36 pm

I don't see why you are saying that because the UK Gambling Commission say that they can't help that Unibet are getting away with it for now, you simply need to see which regulator is relevant to your country and complain to them instead and thereby keeping up constant and ongoing pressure on Unibet.

Regarding Unibet themselves, as I said before, they are not the sort of company that confiscates players' funds "just because they feel like it", so they obviously have a reason that they feel is valid for taking this action, and I'm sure if you were fully open about it, then you would probably be able to pinpoint where you think Unibet may have linked you to another account or whatever in terms of their reasoning for this action.

Regarding your comparison with Canbet and Bet365, that's a pointless comparison to make. Bet365 are infinitely more reputable than Canbet ever were and we can rule out Bet365 ever becoming another Canbet.

It seems from what you're saying that you are betting on a highly disproportionate number of palps, and that would be highly unlikely to just be a coincidence, it would highly likely because you don't know how to spot a palp well enough. And if any bets you've had previously voided were genuine palps, then Bet365 aren't "cheating", they are doing what any other bookmaker would do, which is void the bets if they see an error.

You will see what I mean when I say about a sixth sense, when you have had enough experience then you will be able to read a market within seconds and to a very high degree of accuracy you will see if there is anything wrong with the market. You say you may lose all of your money by the time you get to that level. That shouldn't be the case as the advice for any arbers is to start off with micro stakes whilst practicing and understanding everything and that means if you make mistakes betting small stakes it won't have a big effect, and then you should only go onto the bigger stakes when you are totally confident about everything.

So I would suggest that you use small stakes whilst you get the hang of spotting if there are any palps. You won't make much money doing it, but you won't lose much either, you should just see it as a learning curve. You can't just go all guns blazing blindly betting every arb you see, you also need to be looking at the wider betting market to see what odds other bookmakers are offering to see if a bookmaker is disproportionately out of line with other bookmakers and gain experience that way in spotting if there is a palp. There's no silver bullet in spotting whether something is a palp or not, you will gain the know-how and knowledge through experience of repeating the process over and over again. As a general rule, err on the side of caution in that if you have a significant suspicion of a palp, don't risk it. Only after you've done that for a while and ironed out your palp detection and gained confidence that you can spot a palp to a high degree of accuracy, only then start raising the stakes and then as long you bet with reputable bookmakers, you should see the amount of your bets getting voided because of being a palp come way down.
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Re: bet365

Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:27 pm

fairpunter wrote:
luctens wrote:
fairpunter wrote: Luchtens, I think you get bonuses and winings easily at bet365, I guess you are from western europe country and never had any problem with them.
This is fact, Bet365 is aggressive to eastern Europe countries and Germany. and if you are from non european union countries you have nothing to do, no one will look up your complaints
Whatever country you're from, if you have a legitimate complaint then you should be able to get a ruling in your favour through the bookmaker's complaint procedures, SBR, IBAS, UK Gambling Commission or court. If you go through all of those stages and everybody rules against you, then it is likely that you don't have a valid case. If you have a valid case, then at one of those stages then you should get a ruling in your favour and get the issue sorted out.

The defeatist attitude of saying that just because you're from a particular country that you're not going to bother to take those steps as nobody will listen to you so you will let the bookmaker walk all over you simply isn't good enough. You have to be much stronger than that if you feel that you are in the right.
Really me and my friend had a valid case, I can show you how they (IBAS, UK Gambling comission) "answered" to my complaints, if you can say this is ANSWER for your valid case. It is easy to stay front of pc and recommend to someone right ways like you.
Why are you always on bookmakers side ? I usually read your long posts and from your first post you support bookies.
Bet365 are fucking sly guys of all time.
If you've been to IBAS and UK Gambling Commission and they haven't ruled in your favour, then you need to go to SBR to see if they can sort it out if you haven't done that already, and if no joy there, then your final step is that you will need to take the bookmaker to court. If you and your friend really have a valid case and you really believe that you are in the right, then you should have no problem taking the bookmaker to court and trying to prove your case there.

I simply detail the process a player needs to go through to try and solve a genuine dispute. Your options of getting an issue sorted out are always the same:

1. Make a complaint directly to the bookmaker
2. Sportsbook Review
3. The bookmaker's nominated alternative dispute resolution provider
4. Regulator
5. Court

You shouldn't have any problem whatsoever in me simply setting out the process to try and get your money back so whatever issue you have with me doing this is stupid.

If you actually have a genuinely valid case, then you should get a ruling in your favour at one of those stages, but you have to be strong enough to take any knockbacks you get throughout this process and take it as far as court if you need to and not just give up at the first or second hurdle.

And I most certainly don't "support bookies". I simply take a balanced view and I don't have a default setting that as I am a punter, that the bookmaker always has to be in the wrong, because that obviously isn't the case. If you read back thoroughly through all of my posts then you will see that all of my posts are balanced and not biased in favour of the punter or bookmaker, I simply look at the information that has been posted, and comment according to the circumstances with no bias whatsoever either way. If with the information given that the punter is in the right, I will say that they should take it all the way to get their money back, if the bookmaker is in the right then I will state that there's no point in pursuing it, and if the information provided is inconclusive but the player is saying that they think that they are in the right, I will say that they should take it all the way and see what the verdict is. It's really very simple how I comment, and that's to comment with no pre-defined bias either way whatseover.

Regarding Bet365, they aren't "sly", they will only take action such as confiscating funds or voiding bets if they feel they have a valid reason for doing so, they don't do it just because feel like it to scam any players or anything. They may turn out to be wrong in the action they take in these circumstances, but if they are wrong, it would be just a genuine mistake and not them trying to scam people or anything.

As I've said previously, if you're going to be calling into question the reputation and reliability of bookmakers such as Unibet and Bet365 and say that in any way that they can't be trusted, then you might as well pack up, go home and stop arbing as going by that argument, you might as well not trust any bookmakers whatsoever, so it is ludicrous to insinuate that bookmakers such as this are actively and intentionally picking spots to confiscate funds, void bets and scam players for no reason, as that is simply complete rubbish.

The fact is, these big and reputable bookmakers did not get to the position they are in today but confiscating funds from players just because they feel like it, they will always have an argument that they feel is valid for taking this sort of action. So when I hear of bookmakers like Unibet and Bet365 confiscating funds or whatever, it is obvious that bookmakers like these are not scamming people as they are reputable companies. If a dispute is regarding any bookmakers such as these taking this sort of action, then it will either be that the bookmaker believes they are in the right but get proved wrong as making a genuine mistake or whatever, or they are in the right in taking this action. One thing for sure is that bookies like Unibet and Bet365 aren't scamming people and just taking money or voiding bets or whatever just because they feel like it.

So I always take a balanced view of a situation and say that in these sort of circumstances that as a reputable bookmaker, they definitely aren't scamming you so you can rule that out but I then present people with the options to fight the decision if they feel the bookmaker has a made a mistake and if the player feels that they are in the right.

Again you shouldn't have any problem whatsoever with the balanced and unbiased view I take and again, whatever issue you have with me doing this is stupid.

But as I said before, enough of you and other players talking, if Unibet or Bet365 or whoever have made an incorrect decision and you feel that you are in the right, then get going through the process I outlined earlier going as far as court if you need to in order to fight your case. If all we keep hearing on here is talk but no mention of action going all the way to court, then we will all suspect that there is something you and other players are hiding behind all of the talk.
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Re: bet365

Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:42 am

fairpunter wrote: Luctens, why Arbusers doesn't put here Bet365 banners and join bet365Affiliates ?? -This is not question, this is answer for ur post.
and please use some abridgements, you can express your opinion just 3-4 sentences, it doesn't need long.
Good luck
Well that's a very lame "answer".

And in reference to the length of my post, simply put if a post needs particular detail then I will post in the necessary detail.

And if reading a few paragraphs all at once is just too much for you, you can always take some breaks and read it in tiny segments. ;D
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