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Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:41 pm

sadedu95 wrote: so will this mean manual users can now have multiple windows open like before without getting service limit messags.
We still recommend using the scanner in one window. Opening in multiple tabs increases the likelihood of that message being displayed. If the limits are deliberately exceeded, users will still be blocked.
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Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:59 pm

Lumberjack wrote:
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Lumberjack wrote: Fix bet365 please!

Where? What market? - Everywhere. .
We haven't got any complaints yesterday night. The scanning was fine. What was wrong on your side?
The line is wrong on Asian which it still is today.

Example Dundalk - Molde you have U1,75 Goals - Odds 2,3 which is the odds on Under 1,5
Same on Handicap.
Thank you for providing an example. Right now, we do not see this bug in similar markets for the indicated event. However, we'll be monitoring the issue and fix it right away in case of detecting.
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Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:53 pm

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Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:14 pm

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madridking wrote: If you don't see the negative side, I'll give them to you:

-Automatic Bot will decrease the numbers of values for players who do not have bots : The Bookmaker will block the odds or decrease the odds faster with more people using Bots. What will be left for manual players? Crumbs

-A Bot will never be reliable compared to a human being.

-The Bot will limit your account faster. It is against the rules of some bookmakers.

Take a look at all the actions B365 has taken in recent months. Part of it is because of the player automation system.

This approach will just create inequalities and disagreements with pro-bot and anti-bot arbers. By contributing to this, you put your customers at risk.
Thank you for your feedback.
We do not provide a bot, but an opportunity to automate bets for our users. This would help save time for those who want to use the API, but won't limit users who prefer to place surebets manually.
I do not understand this, you are saying it is not a bot, but it places the bets automatically. Then what is it?  :D
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Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:57 pm

I imagine something like this when they ask me for vote.

Of course this is a bot. And of course it will kill the market like no one before.

In this community we allways talk about the locusts. Now, Betburger will be the biggest locust of this business.

Now everyone have to be prepared and alert. This is an Hirosima bomb in this small business.

I hope that betburger analyzed all the consecuences that this decision will have for everyone.
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Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:15 pm

czoker wrote: ifx wplay live
Yesterday I reported this.
Today all the day there are a spam of tones false arbs with wplay, the same like yesterday.
Will you fix it or not?
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Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:32 pm

czoker wrote:
czoker wrote: ifx wplay live
Yesterday I reported this.
Today all the day there are a spam of tones false arbs with wplay, the same like yesterday.
Will you fix it or not?
We absolutely will. Working on this task right now. Hope to restore the proper scanning soon.
Thank you for waiting.
 
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Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:34 pm

Thank you ! finally a thoughtful person. We understand that it's not a bot. But Betburger makes sure to encourage the use of Bots.

There are people who already do this without your API. You just take a step to make it as public as possible and it will have dramatic consequences for you and for us customers. And I know what I'm talking about.

You will have the proof and soon.

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CharlieSheen99 wrote: I imagine something like this when they ask me for vote.

Of course this is a bot. And of course it will kill the market like no one before.

In this community we allways talk about the locusts. Now, Betburger will be the biggest locust of this business.

Now everyone have to be prepared and alert. This is an Hirosima bomb in this small business.

I hope that betburger analyzed all the consecuences that this decision will have for everyone.
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Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:38 pm

CharlieSheen99 wrote: I imagine something like this when they ask me for vote.

Of course this is a bot. And of course it will kill the market like no one before.

In this community we allways talk about the locusts. Now, Betburger will be the biggest locust of this business.

Now everyone have to be prepared and alert. This is an Hirosima bomb in this small business.

I hope that betburger analyzed all the consecuences that this decision will have for everyone.
We only provide data, the same that we were doing till now but in a different form.

The option was presented to make betting for those customers, who want to scale up their bets more convenient. Everything concerning the script and betting process is in the hands of the customer. We do not provide a ready-made soft.
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Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:56 pm

Of course, they made a very hard job, so i don't think that they will go back on their idea.
They are brilliant doing business, and their decisions are perfect.

They go exactly to the middle point, and stop at this point. They know perfectly what they made. Everything is calculated millimetrically in this new project.

When the bookmakers decide to block a lot of accounts. Who will fight with the angry customers, and give back the money that customers didn't win? The guys that creates the bot, not betburger, but, they will win money even if the bookmakers confiscate the money.

At the same time, they just "provide data", so if a bookmaker want to fight in the courts, or the bot action are against the laws of one country, they don't know nothing about this bot developers. They just......"provide data" in a different way.

This guys are so intelligent.
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Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:21 pm

Dear BetBurger,

I think you are making a huge mistake by providing this API to the public. Giving access to this kind of API allows any more or less competent programmer write script which will be able to place 30 arbs simultaneously every minute, probably more... Those who can't afford bots will be left in stone age and bookies will definitely react. Before this API bots had to scrape your website for arbs and fortunately you were smart enough not to reveal deep links unless they are clicked. So only very advanced bots were able to massively scrape your arbs and place automatic bets without relying on deep links. Now you give deep links in your API and make such massive auto betting relatively easy job.

If you don't care about small business and markets being destroyed by this then at least think about your own profit. Now that you provide this kind of API why would someone pay you for subscription. For example I can get access to your API and then resell all the data to 100 arbusers for much lower price, say for 20 EUR instead of paying you 190 EUR. Because then you don't really have any value, they won't care if the data is sent by you or by someone like me.

I really hope that the rest of community will also speak out and this very dangerous move will be stopped.
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Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:26 pm

It's really delusional. You say that this is done to make it easier for clients wishing to develop a bot to take a bet.

I will answer you in two points:


First point

-You will make the task easier but you will penalize a lot of your customers. You don't realize. I'll explain this to you:

A surebet is linked to a Valuebet on Bookmaker A or B. Taking multiple users' bets this Value using bots will bring the odds down quickly.

-Result : your manual user will no longer be able to benefit from it = Decrease in the number of surebets.

-Your user using the '"ValueBet" tool will see the values ​​disappear quickly (and it was already the case without the API).

It's a bit the same mechanism as Trading where bots dump or pump the market.

Second point:


When you tell me "Yes but we are not doing the bot, we just provide the API so that the user who wishes to do a bot does it"

I will answer you simply: You do not feed the user directly with a spoon. You serve him the food on a plate, give him a spoon and you let him eat.
It's the same thing here . You contribute and encourage the use of bots.

The goal of an arbitration service is to ensure that the use of bots is countered. But you are doing just the opposite.

Just look here how many tell you it's a bad idea . You should have done a survey.
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(Sorry if my english is incorrect, basic I speak portuguese)
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Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:38 pm

Looking at your side, betburger, I don't know if your API will have enough clients, and I think that you will have to sell it at a very high price.
Anyway, I am not sure that this provides profits or not for you in the long haul.

To make an arbitrage bot you need three steps:

1) Scrap bookmakers
2) Implement the calculation motor
3) Create the bot that makes this arbitrages.

With this movement everyone that knows how to do the third step, will have their own bot, and after start to catch clients wherever in the world.

For those clients, you, Betburger will not receive profits, but, in the end, all this clients will crash the market, so you will lose your actual clients.

With this movement, you are providing your service potentially to thousends of people, and just selling some subscriptions.

Maybe I have to quit my last post, as i am not sure if it's an intelligent move or not for your side.

What it is for sure, is an earthquake for everyone here.
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Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:41 pm

I think its better if betburger makes a bot. This way everyone can profit. Filters should be made by users just as it is right now, so not everyone places the same bets. This way betburger profits by selling software and at same time no client is at disadvantage.
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Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:50 pm

Some thoughts:

1) If they provides a bot, it could have legal problems for them.
2) bookmakers will react fast and strong
3) All our knowledge accumulated during years and years will finally end in nothing, as someone that don't know nothing of valuebetting can pay a subscription and that's it. They will make the same arbs than us. Wellcome to XXI century i think. Where all the jobs will be destroyed by automatization.

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