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Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:27 am

Lumberjack wrote: I agree with most of what you are saying sadedu95 and I have a lot of the same frustrations as you.
The problem is, there is no better service than Betburger, at least what I know of.

I do not have the skills neither do I know any in my network that do, but I feel there is a whole in the market and that if somebody have the skills to develop a new alert service which focus on quality more than quantity then there is huge potential. Betburger has become lazy, because nodoby is challenging their position and instead of focus on the problems that you higlights they come up with "new bookmakers, API service and other useless stuff" because we are paying anyways and with this they can attract other new customers.

I also had a personally dialouge with them because I had used all my freeze time in March/April when no games where played doing Covid-19. I simply asked for more freeze time because Bet365 had not worked for a couple of weeks. They said something like "Covid-19 had been hard for everyone and that they do not give more freeze time to anybody"

I feel a bit twisted about it. At one point I need them, and they have done a lot of good for my business, but at the same time I feel they don't care about me and their customer and that makes me not want to put my money at their business.

I just hope someone will come up with a new alert service that challenge them and their position, it is needed.

You can continue to bet manually, opening the API won't affect your work. We had the API before, but its use was prohibited. It is now allowed in demo mode.
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:49 am

sadedu95 wrote: They dont care, they just pass stuff off and never give a meaningful response. Evidently they dont give a shit. Treating their customers with respect and actually harnessing the power of the community could make an agreement that is favourable for both parties. However what they do is have standard responses to queries rather than a continued dialogue. As a member stated previously they have not been able to fix simple errors over the previous years and now they are moving toward a different strategy.

I have been using betburger for over 5 years now and am logged in for 18 hours a day. I brought up the point of not being able to have multiple windows open and they simply disregarded this and could not understand why it would be easier for me to have a window for each match.

I have sent through multiple screen shots of errors that occur on a consistant basis for example just scanning the completely wrong market.  These are just simple errors to eradicate from their bank end but still they show over and over.

Then comes the point of adding completely stupid bookmakers which really server no purpose to anyone rather than focusing fixing the issues with the current stock.

I am not hear to shoot shit with you betburger. I have now been working for 92 days straight working almost 18 hours a day using you service. I would give anything for a more productive dialogue. I would be happy to take my time out and work with a developer to identify each and every issue that arises. This almost did happen at one point and then there was complete radio silence. In one day 10 errors were fixed. You have a base here that want to help make your product even better. But you treat us with disrepect and give us no clarity which just makes our frustration grow even more. Not once has there been a discount given when things are clearly wrong for example the server going down on a saturday. Betburger 'Just eat the shit we give you and enjoy the taste, EVEN IF ITS RUNNY'

With regards to the API offering they are now making us fight like dogs, who ever does not get their first is fucked. They cant be bothered anymore and would profit from the source rather than deal with our requests that give them headaches.
Thank you for your feedback. We are in favour of a productive dialogue. We are waiting for your suggestions, perhaps we could fully satisfy your requests.

As for bookmakers, we add bookmakers that are beneficial for our customers, and therefore for us. Yes, indeed for some clients some bookmakers we add are not of the same high importance, but you can offer your own bookmakers, we consider all requests.

Errors are corrected regularly, the occurrence of issues does not depend on us, for example, it happens due to changes on the bookmaker's website or the source of scanning. The errors you see and the errors of another user are often completely different due to, for example, different bookmakers used. First of all, we try to correct errors for top bookmakers. In case you see errors that occur regularly or any other, please let us know, we will fix it.

As for the API, we just give our source in a more convenient way. It does not mean that regular users will earn less. In theory, this will allow some clients to earn more or place bets more conveniently.

Regarding using many windows at once, would you please specify why can't you set up the feed for 10 surebets for different events and see all the surebets in one window? Please explain how you use our surebet feed. This would help us develop the product that is most convenient and effective for you.
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:02 am

madridking wrote: We know very well that there is a difference between a bot and an API.
But here, providing the API is contributing to the development of the bot which will be very easy to develop.

To answer your second question there are several disadvantages:

-Not everyone can own a bot.There is a cost of development, maintenance and security bypass for some bookmakers.

-The use of bots is very frowned upon by Bookmakers.

-Bots will lead to stricter Bookmaker actions (B365 has been the case for some time), which will make surebets even more difficult.

-A Scan error such as an inversion of the scanned odds can lead to significant losses. The bot will never be as effective as human reasoning.

-As quoted by a member above: "All our knowledge accumulated during years and years will finally end in nothing, as someone that don't know nothing of valuebetting can pay a subscription and that's it. They will make the same arbs than us. Wellcome to XXI century i think. Where all the jobs will be destroyed by automation. "

Use of Bots = Death of Business. I know, I'm telling you and that's why I'm warning.
You're going to bite your finger on it and that's unfortunate for everyone including me, really.
campeones wrote: There is a difference between an API and a bot.

If that bot has these magic characteristics like these described above, then what is stopping you to buy it?
We see some contradictions in this set of points. If there are problems in using a bot and it will never replace human reasoning, then why will all the jobs be destroyed by automation?

We provide data that would help to make bets more convenient for those clients who develop their scripts.
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Re: BetBurger.com - Your ideas, propositions and conserns!

Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:47 am

The better choice would be for betburger to develop a value bot. And to take 5-10 pro value bettors with different strategies to configure and update bot as the market continues to change. Not all players accounts should put the same bets. It should have a limited number of accs to play the same bet. It should set working hours depending on account country too ,so bookies dont become suspicious. If you have more value strategies, accounts can put different bets so bookies reaction can be slower. At same time you should take in consideration bookie by bookie what is their monthly net profit so you dont take too much from their pie for them to react strongly. As for professional value bettors who have their individual strategy they can continue to do it and this wont affect them if the strategy is truly authentic.
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:36 pm

Wolfie wrote: The better choice would be for betburger to develop a value bot. And to take 5-10 pro value bettors with different strategies to configure and update bot as the market continues to change. Not all players accounts should put the same bets. It should have a limited number of accs to play the same bet. It should set working hours depending on account country too ,so bookies dont become suspicious. If you have more value strategies, accounts can put different bets so bookies reaction can be slower. At same time you should take in consideration bookie by bookie what is their monthly net profit so you dont take too much from their pie for them to react strongly. As for professional value bettors who have their individual strategy they can continue to do it and this wont affect them if the strategy is truly authentic.
Thank you for your advice. We'll take it into account.
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:18 pm

I hope in near future will appear some other guys who will offer similar services with the same or better quality like betburger and will kick out Bb from this business. I`m your client for more than 5 years, and I`m not satisfied with your service. Instead of making some improvements to make your services faster and cover more bookies they decide to offer api and ruin your own business and also your customers business. Shame on your choice.
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:59 pm

CharlieSheen99 wrote: I think that this decision is unfavorable for everyone.

You need to sell this API at a very high price to recover the money that you invested already, because there are not too many bot developers.

Anyway, if you sell just 100 subscriptions, you are putting maybe 30.000 new bettors in the market.

It's not a good business for you and for us. At the same time you force other alert services to do the same, or even to advance another step.

Automatized is impossible to stop. You are right here.

But, you betburger, has the power in this small market, to accelerate this process or not.

And like i told before, you have no competence, so you act here like a referee, and your decisions in this field will affect everyone.

I think that the idea is good, and is well thinking, and i exposed before, but, thinking about proper business, i have some doubts.

Like i say, imagine that you sell 100 subscription.

Maybe you are putting 30.000 new accounts in the market betting values like there are no tomorrow.

Are you sure, that this is a good idea for your business?

How many people will get out of this business for this new competitors? And to win 100 new subscriptions?

Reconsider this.

If you see that you are losing clients, just elevate the prices. We can understand that.

But, in my opinion, this movement will obligate everyone to move. I mean, everyone.

Your choice.
We are currently testing it out. It means that the API we already have is now open and free to be used with all the documentation. Those customers who have bots won't get the same subscription you have eventually, but in the meantime, the subscriptions are the same and bot-customers have the same terms and data capacity that you have.
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:05 pm

galt88 wrote: I hope in near future will appear some other guys who will offer similar services with the same or better quality like betburger and will kick out Bb from this business. I`m your client for more than 5 years, and I`m not satisfied with your service. Instead of making some improvements to make your services faster and cover more bookies they decide to offer api and ruin your own business and also your customers business. Shame on your choice.
We see no problem that some customers would have a possibility to automate their betting with particular bookmakers if they choose us instead of other similar services, which they have previously used.
It won't influence your work in any way. There won't be fewer arbs and our customers' business won't fail. There would just be a possibility to automate the routine process to make it more convenient for our customers.
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:35 pm

Bebturger,can you confirm that you will provide the API for a longer timeframe ? I would really feel convenient if this business is here to stay before creating the first bots. Or will you oblige the Pressure from your Clients
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:58 pm

autobetting wrote: Bebturger,can you confirm that you will provide the API for a longer timeframe ? I would really feel convenient if this business is here to stay before creating the first bots. Or will you oblige the Pressure from your Clients

We have no time limitation in this regard - API will be available from now on.
We would like to remind that a bot could be used only for personal purpose, and our data is not for resell. In an attempt to resell the data, the client will be blocked.
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:14 pm

hello

is it possible to add to exchange section filters on "Total Matched" on market?
For example football market ov/un 2.5 is more sharp when there is matched like 8000 eur than market where is matched only few eur and same time there is a lay odds available for creating arb with softbook. In this case betburger show arb/value but there is no sense to take this as value odds.. for arb is it ok, but for value i think not..

Hope you got what i mean ;)
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:18 pm

kustef wrote: hello

is it possible to add to exchange section filters on "Total Matched" on market?
For example football market ov/un 2.5 is more sharp when there is matched like 8000 eur than market where is matched only few eur and same time there is a lay odds available for creating arb with softbook. In this case betburger show arb/value but there is no sense to take this as value odds.. for arb is it ok, but for value i think not..

Hope you got what i mean ;)
Hi,

Thank you for your offer, but there is no such possibility in the meantime.
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Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:47 am

1 question.

What can I do now, lets say I mostly work with 3 bookies (1 filter), and 1 bookie only when I get reload promotion. I am unable to have 2 windows or tabs open? I have to change filters and can only look for 1 filter at once?
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Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:48 pm

macola wrote: 1 question.

What can I do now, lets say I mostly work with 3 bookies (1 filter), and 1 bookie only when I get reload promotion. I am unable to have 2 windows or tabs open? I have to change filters and can only look for 1 filter at once?
You can set a single filter for three bookies. There is no need to use different windows or tabs just like it is suggested to do. At the same time, you can use as many filters as you need.
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Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:46 pm

i have betburger with one PC and 2 monitors. it was really good when i can use 1 monitor for 1 filter and 2nd monitor for second third or fourth filter

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