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Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:51 pm

sadedu95 wrote: This is the third week in a row now that bet365 is not scanning for in play american football, it works in the week but not on the weekend is there a reason for this. please can be this be fixed
Totally understand your concern and will do our best to restore American football asap. Thank you for waiting.
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Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:39 pm

Also check and make sure all live basketball matches from bet365 are covered, as of now, too many matches are not tracked in your scanner.
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Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:31 pm

Hi,

I will answer your two questions:

Do you think that bots won't replace manual betting sooner or later?


For the moment this is not the case, because no surebet service has provided its API. You are contributing to that and to the death of the market.
Do you think the Bookmakers are going to let it go?

Do you know of other similar services that officially provide their API?
Others don't provide APIs because they know full well it would be a disaster.

Anyway this is my last comment. We all want here that you are happy with your business and that your customers are too. The community is mostly unfavorable to this new service.I hope a decision will be made.

Wishing you a good weekend
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Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:44 pm

Netbet have all the arbs wrong till 2 days, it seens the handcaps are all with bug
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Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:08 pm

I think that this decision is unfavorable for everyone.

You need to sell this API at a very high price to recover the money that you invested already, because there are not too many bot developers.

Anyway, if you sell just 100 subscriptions, you are putting maybe 30.000 new bettors in the market.

It's not a good business for you and for us. At the same time you force other alert services to do the same, or even to advance another step.

Automatized is impossible to stop. You are right here.

But, you betburger, has the power in this small market, to accelerate this process or not.

And like i told before, you have no competence, so you act here like a referee, and your decisions in this field will affect everyone.

I think that the idea is good, and is well thinking, and i exposed before, but, thinking about proper business, i have some doubts.

Like i say, imagine that you sell 100 subscription.

Maybe you are putting 30.000 new accounts in the market betting values like there are no tomorrow.

Are you sure, that this is a good idea for your business?

How many people will get out of this business for this new competitors? And to win 100 new subscriptions?

Reconsider this.

If you see that you are losing clients, just elevate the prices. We can understand that.

But, in my opinion, this movement will obligate everyone to move. I mean, everyone.

Your choice.
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Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:33 pm

They are putting some api but have a lot of wrong arbs, if this api do this fake arbs we will loss a lot of money, the example is netbet that all the handicap arbs are wrong since 3 days.
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Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:21 am

They dont care, they just pass stuff off and never give a meaningful response. Evidently they dont give a shit. Treating their customers with respect and actually harnessing the power of the community could make an agreement that is favourable for both parties. However what they do is have standard responses to queries rather than a continued dialogue. As a member stated previously they have not been able to fix simple errors over the previous years and now they are moving toward a different strategy.

I have been using betburger for over 5 years now and am logged in for 18 hours a day. I brought up the point of not being able to have multiple windows open and they simply disregarded this and could not understand why it would be easier for me to have a window for each match.

I have sent through multiple screen shots of errors that occur on a consistant basis for example just scanning the completely wrong market.  These are just simple errors to eradicate from their bank end but still they show over and over.

Then comes the point of adding completely stupid bookmakers which really server no purpose to anyone rather than focusing fixing the issues with the current stock.

I am not hear to shoot shit with you betburger. I have now been working for 92 days straight working almost 18 hours a day using you service. I would give anything for a more productive dialogue. I would be happy to take my time out and work with a developer to identify each and every issue that arises. This almost did happen at one point and then there was complete radio silence. In one day 10 errors were fixed. You have a base here that want to help make your product even better. But you treat us with disrepect and give us no clarity which just makes our frustration grow even more. Not once has there been a discount given when things are clearly wrong for example the server going down on a saturday. Betburger 'Just eat the shit we give you and enjoy the taste, EVEN IF ITS RUNNY'

With regards to the API offering they are now making us fight like dogs, who ever does not get their first is fucked. They cant be bothered anymore and would profit from the source rather than deal with our requests that give them headaches.
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Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:31 am

I agree with most of what you are saying sadedu95 and I have a lot of the same frustrations as you.
The problem is, there is no better service than Betburger, at least what I know of.

I do not have the skills neither do I know any in my network that do, but I feel there is a whole in the market and that if somebody have the skills to develop a new alert service which focus on quality more than quantity then there is huge potential. Betburger has become lazy, because nodoby is challenging their position and instead of focus on the problems that you higlights they come up with "new bookmakers, API service and other useless stuff" because we are paying anyways and with this they can attract other new customers.

I also had a personally dialouge with them because I had used all my freeze time in March/April when no games where played doing Covid-19. I simply asked for more freeze time because Bet365 had not worked for a couple of weeks. They said something like "Covid-19 had been hard for everyone and that they do not give more freeze time to anybody"

I feel a bit twisted about it. At one point I need them, and they have done a lot of good for my business, but at the same time I feel they don't care about me and their customer and that makes me not want to put my money at their business.

I just hope someone will come up with a new alert service that challenge them and their position, it is needed.
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Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:35 am

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AlexNotman1 wrote: Yeah go for it. You are all flooded with loads of errors every single day Betburger can't fix and suddenly they will provide bot working as intented? Go for it and see how your money is going down to drain. Wouldn't touch it even if payed for it and it's not about edge as I earn my money other way anyway.
Hi,
Firstly, we do not recommend betting on errors and potential errors, check everything before placing a bet, select the bets correctly. Secondly, even if you bet 10% of the wrong surebets, you will be in a significant profit at a distance of 200 surebets and more.
This is absolutely wrong. Did you ever valuebet yourself or just answer what you are told to answer here? You need to realize that arbing community aren't dumb and people gets pissed of being treated as idiots, ignoring them and now trying to sell us wrong statemets.  Even if you bet 10% of errors you will be in SIGNIFICANT profit at a distance of 200 surebets? I've been valuebetting for years, picking value over 3% and not even once after 2000 bets (yes, 2000 not 200) I was down few units so your "10% wrong surebets" can extend such bad streaks a lot. Obviously you won't admit you are wrong with your statement saying I didnt get you or whatever, pointless discussion as loads of people trying to tell you you are wrong buy you simply don't take any people advices and don't care about markets. Again, arbing community isn't dumb but you dont listen to people who spend sometimes 15-20 hours a day valuebetting. But remember nothing last forever and one day someone will take your place in an industry considering your attitude here.
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:47 am

AlexNotman1 wrote:
betburger wrote:
AlexNotman1 wrote: Yeah go for it. You are all flooded with loads of errors every single day Betburger can't fix and suddenly they will provide bot working as intented? Go for it and see how your money is going down to drain. Wouldn't touch it even if payed for it and it's not about edge as I earn my money other way anyway.
Hi,
Firstly, we do not recommend betting on errors and potential errors, check everything before placing a bet, select the bets correctly. Secondly, even if you bet 10% of the wrong surebets, you will be in a significant profit at a distance of 200 surebets and more.
This is absolutely wrong. Did you ever valuebet yourself or just answer what you are told to answer here? You need to realize that arbing community aren't dumb and people gets pissed of being treated as idiots, ignoring them and now trying to sell us wrong statemets.  Even if you bet 10% of errors you will be in SIGNIFICANT profit at a distance of 200 surebets? I've been valuebetting for years, picking value over 3% and not even once after 2000 bets (yes, 2000 not 200) I was down few units so your "10% wrong surebets" can extend such bad streaks a lot. Obviously you won't admit you are wrong with your statement saying I didnt get you or whatever, pointless discussion as loads of people trying to tell you you are wrong buy you simply don't take any people advices and don't care about markets. Again, arbing community isn't dumb but you dont listen to people who spend sometimes 15-20 hours a day valuebetting. But remember nothing last forever and one day someone will take your place in an industry considering your attitude here.
If you constantly bet on mistakes, you will remain in the red no more than 10% of the turnover (since the bookmaker's margin is on average up to 10%). If there are only a few such mistakes for 200 bets, then you will be in the black statistically. The higher the distance, the higher the probability of income

There may be errors, we try to fix them as quickly as possible, although their number is relatively small. We recommend that you select bets in which errors are excluded, do not bet on possible errors.
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:28 am

ArberPro wrote: [quote author=betburger link=topic=1980.msg79661#msg79661

In the future, we plan to segment clients, so there should be no competition between bot customers and regular clients. Before that, people had bots, including attempts to use our service.

Do you think that bots won't replace manual betting sooner or later? Do you know of other similar services that officially provide their API?
If a player and a bot play at the same bookmaker, they are in direct competition,  you can t change that. About the scalability...don t forget sportsbooks are not a never-ending wells, hit them too hard and they will react.
Bots won t replace manual betting, you think bookmakers are doing buisness to lose money ? If the number of people using automated betting increases then anti-bot /anti- scraper solution's will become the new norm.

[/quote]

Perhaps there will be more bots working on our data, but not in general. Considering that surebets are often similar in different scanners, except that we have more of them, nothing will change for ordinary customers. Furthermore, we plan to segment users, so it is not a fact that the bookmaker you use will have a client who has a bot.
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:27 am

Lumberjack wrote: I agree with most of what you are saying sadedu95 and I have a lot of the same frustrations as you.
The problem is, there is no better service than Betburger, at least what I know of.

I do not have the skills neither do I know any in my network that do, but I feel there is a whole in the market and that if somebody have the skills to develop a new alert service which focus on quality more than quantity then there is huge potential. Betburger has become lazy, because nodoby is challenging their position and instead of focus on the problems that you higlights they come up with "new bookmakers, API service and other useless stuff" because we are paying anyways and with this they can attract other new customers.

I also had a personally dialouge with them because I had used all my freeze time in March/April when no games where played doing Covid-19. I simply asked for more freeze time because Bet365 had not worked for a couple of weeks. They said something like "Covid-19 had been hard for everyone and that they do not give more freeze time to anybody"

I feel a bit twisted about it. At one point I need them, and they have done a lot of good for my business, but at the same time I feel they don't care about me and their customer and that makes me not want to put my money at their business.

I just hope someone will come up with a new alert service that challenge them and their position, it is needed.

You can continue to bet manually, opening the API won't affect your work. We had the API before, but its use was prohibited. It is now allowed in demo mode.
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:49 am

sadedu95 wrote: They dont care, they just pass stuff off and never give a meaningful response. Evidently they dont give a shit. Treating their customers with respect and actually harnessing the power of the community could make an agreement that is favourable for both parties. However what they do is have standard responses to queries rather than a continued dialogue. As a member stated previously they have not been able to fix simple errors over the previous years and now they are moving toward a different strategy.

I have been using betburger for over 5 years now and am logged in for 18 hours a day. I brought up the point of not being able to have multiple windows open and they simply disregarded this and could not understand why it would be easier for me to have a window for each match.

I have sent through multiple screen shots of errors that occur on a consistant basis for example just scanning the completely wrong market.  These are just simple errors to eradicate from their bank end but still they show over and over.

Then comes the point of adding completely stupid bookmakers which really server no purpose to anyone rather than focusing fixing the issues with the current stock.

I am not hear to shoot shit with you betburger. I have now been working for 92 days straight working almost 18 hours a day using you service. I would give anything for a more productive dialogue. I would be happy to take my time out and work with a developer to identify each and every issue that arises. This almost did happen at one point and then there was complete radio silence. In one day 10 errors were fixed. You have a base here that want to help make your product even better. But you treat us with disrepect and give us no clarity which just makes our frustration grow even more. Not once has there been a discount given when things are clearly wrong for example the server going down on a saturday. Betburger 'Just eat the shit we give you and enjoy the taste, EVEN IF ITS RUNNY'

With regards to the API offering they are now making us fight like dogs, who ever does not get their first is fucked. They cant be bothered anymore and would profit from the source rather than deal with our requests that give them headaches.
Thank you for your feedback. We are in favour of a productive dialogue. We are waiting for your suggestions, perhaps we could fully satisfy your requests.

As for bookmakers, we add bookmakers that are beneficial for our customers, and therefore for us. Yes, indeed for some clients some bookmakers we add are not of the same high importance, but you can offer your own bookmakers, we consider all requests.

Errors are corrected regularly, the occurrence of issues does not depend on us, for example, it happens due to changes on the bookmaker's website or the source of scanning. The errors you see and the errors of another user are often completely different due to, for example, different bookmakers used. First of all, we try to correct errors for top bookmakers. In case you see errors that occur regularly or any other, please let us know, we will fix it.

As for the API, we just give our source in a more convenient way. It does not mean that regular users will earn less. In theory, this will allow some clients to earn more or place bets more conveniently.

Regarding using many windows at once, would you please specify why can't you set up the feed for 10 surebets for different events and see all the surebets in one window? Please explain how you use our surebet feed. This would help us develop the product that is most convenient and effective for you.
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:02 am

madridking wrote: We know very well that there is a difference between a bot and an API.
But here, providing the API is contributing to the development of the bot which will be very easy to develop.

To answer your second question there are several disadvantages:

-Not everyone can own a bot.There is a cost of development, maintenance and security bypass for some bookmakers.

-The use of bots is very frowned upon by Bookmakers.

-Bots will lead to stricter Bookmaker actions (B365 has been the case for some time), which will make surebets even more difficult.

-A Scan error such as an inversion of the scanned odds can lead to significant losses. The bot will never be as effective as human reasoning.

-As quoted by a member above: "All our knowledge accumulated during years and years will finally end in nothing, as someone that don't know nothing of valuebetting can pay a subscription and that's it. They will make the same arbs than us. Wellcome to XXI century i think. Where all the jobs will be destroyed by automation. "

Use of Bots = Death of Business. I know, I'm telling you and that's why I'm warning.
You're going to bite your finger on it and that's unfortunate for everyone including me, really.
campeones wrote: There is a difference between an API and a bot.

If that bot has these magic characteristics like these described above, then what is stopping you to buy it?
We see some contradictions in this set of points. If there are problems in using a bot and it will never replace human reasoning, then why will all the jobs be destroyed by automation?

We provide data that would help to make bets more convenient for those clients who develop their scripts.
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:47 am

The better choice would be for betburger to develop a value bot. And to take 5-10 pro value bettors with different strategies to configure and update bot as the market continues to change. Not all players accounts should put the same bets. It should have a limited number of accs to play the same bet. It should set working hours depending on account country too ,so bookies dont become suspicious. If you have more value strategies, accounts can put different bets so bookies reaction can be slower. At same time you should take in consideration bookie by bookie what is their monthly net profit so you dont take too much from their pie for them to react strongly. As for professional value bettors who have their individual strategy they can continue to do it and this wont affect them if the strategy is truly authentic.

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