Some months ago, Putin said: "A total economic War, that destroys Russian economy, is a Total War".
Looks worse each day.
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I am talking with some russian friends. Most of them are against war, and against Putin. And some of them are looking to go outside from Russia.
What they said to me is that the majority of Russian people are with Putin, and support the war, specially older ones.
There are some rumors in Russia about declare martial law, and this kind of requirements.
At the same time, Putin signed some new laws and declare ilegal to pronounce the word: "war" in a manifestation, or in social media.
Looks like they have some fear because of economic situation. But at the same time, they told me that the majority of the population will suffer all this poverty without saying nothing, and supporting Putin. The people that are already trying to emigrate have some problems at the borders. The police make a registration of the mobiles, the reasons of the travel....
I asked them what Putin wants. Some of them told me, that he wants to reconstruct Russian Empire, and trying to do something like a new URSS. They said that he won't stop in Ukraine. He will just wait for the best momment.
I asked them if this guy can press the nuclear red button. And no one said a clear NO. All of them told me maybe, might be, could be....
At the end, they deleted the conversations.
What they said to me is that the majority of Russian people are with Putin, and support the war, specially older ones.
There are some rumors in Russia about declare martial law, and this kind of requirements.
At the same time, Putin signed some new laws and declare ilegal to pronounce the word: "war" in a manifestation, or in social media.
Looks like they have some fear because of economic situation. But at the same time, they told me that the majority of the population will suffer all this poverty without saying nothing, and supporting Putin. The people that are already trying to emigrate have some problems at the borders. The police make a registration of the mobiles, the reasons of the travel....
I asked them what Putin wants. Some of them told me, that he wants to reconstruct Russian Empire, and trying to do something like a new URSS. They said that he won't stop in Ukraine. He will just wait for the best momment.
I asked them if this guy can press the nuclear red button. And no one said a clear NO. All of them told me maybe, might be, could be....
At the end, they deleted the conversations.
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Exactly. 21st century, very high level of technical development achieved by the Humankind so far, but regretfully, when it comes to the moral level and humanitarian activities, achievements, in general, are far behind...
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1. We had revolution in 2014 as you had it with the independent-minded cities of Ionia. Ukrainians decided to go to the West, russia wasn't happy with this, free people near their border is danger for the dictatorship.
2. Now russians has more power, technic and demotivated soldiers. We have less of it, but we have very motivated* people and soldiers and we have economical and technical support from whole world.
3. Putin doesn't use the scenario that you've described, he doesn't know world history well I believe... Russians now doesn't provide a green corridors as was declared on TV and media etc. So our people still in their homes. He use tactics in Ukraine to those used in Chechnya and Syria, where cities were bombarded and heavily damaged after Russian forces faced unexpected resistance from their defenders. He want to break the spirit of resistance, but he will loose.
Every day more and more pressure on him from Ukrainian army, from civilian people from whole of the world.
* - I mean in this context Passionary (Passionarnost)
Putin expected to see 0 passionarity of Ukrainean people, but it happened the opposite.
My opinion that putin will not achieve his objectives.
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I see, I can compare this war with the Greco-Persian Wars. I see the same scenario from the very beginning.arbusers wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:04 pmI m sorry if I disappoint you, but I have a different understanding of the situation.
I believe the Russian army is slowing down its pace on purpose. The reason why they do it, is because they want to give the time to a hostile population to flee. They prefer to occupy the country with as less as possible people against them. This is a common tactic among aggressors. We have seen that in Cyprus too in 1974. The Turkish army was far stronger than the Greek, and they could achieve their objectives within days, but they selected a slower pace so refugees would flee, and they could keep only the tiny minority of the Turkish Cypriots. I know it is harsh, but this is the way a barbarian would think.
That said, I believe Russia will achieve her objectives in this war. BUT, they obviously miscalculated 2 things. And Russia will pay with blood these 2 things.
1st, they miscalculated the resistance from Ukrainians. I insist, we will see a guerrilla warfare* that we have never seen in Europe since WW2. It is already there judging from the resistance of ordinary people.
2nd, they miscalculated the solidarity from Europe. It is not only the hearts and minds of ordinary people. It is the will from governments to support Ukraine. As we speak, it is materialising to 2nd hand weaponry, but as we get deeper into the conflict and Russia is engaged for good, we will see very specific weapons handed to the resistance or to what is left from Ukraine. Russia will bleed in Ukraine, far more than Afghanistan.
1. We had revolution in 2014 as you had it with the independent-minded cities of Ionia. Ukrainians decided to go to the West, russia wasn't happy with this, free people near their border is danger for the dictatorship.
2. Now russians has more power, technic and demotivated soldiers. We have less of it, but we have very motivated* people and soldiers and we have economical and technical support from whole world.
3. Putin doesn't use the scenario that you've described, he doesn't know world history well I believe... Russians now doesn't provide a green corridors as was declared on TV and media etc. So our people still in their homes. He use tactics in Ukraine to those used in Chechnya and Syria, where cities were bombarded and heavily damaged after Russian forces faced unexpected resistance from their defenders. He want to break the spirit of resistance, but he will loose.
Every day more and more pressure on him from Ukrainian army, from civilian people from whole of the world.
* - I mean in this context Passionary (Passionarnost)
My opinion - it's the end of the dictatorship era in the east Europe and we are witnesses of this great event.Passionarity (from French passionner - “to captivate, excite, incite passion”) is an excess of some kind of “biochemical energy” of living matter, which gives rise to sacrifice, often for the sake of lofty goals. Passionarity is an irresistible inner desire for activity aimed at changing one's life, the environment, the status quo. This activity seems to a passionate individual more valuable than even his own life, and even more so the life, happiness of his contemporaries and fellow tribesmen. It has nothing to do with ethics, it equally easily gives rise to feats and crimes, creativity and destruction, good and evil, excluding only indifference; it does not make a person a hero who leads the crowd, because the majority of passionaries are part of the crowd, determining its potency in one or another era of the development of the ethnos.
In fact, this is a socio-historical phenomenon, characterized by the appearance in a limited area of a large number of people with specific activity (passionaries). The measure of passionarity is the share of these passionaries in society.
Passionarity is often understood as an inherited characteristic that determines the ability of an individual (and a group of individuals) to super-effort, super-stress. The founder of the passionary theory of ethnogenesis himself gave examples, but did not speak about the nature and essence of passionarity
Putin expected to see 0 passionarity of Ukrainean people, but it happened the opposite.
My opinion that putin will not achieve his objectives.
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What do you think Sergei about the exigences of Putin to finish the war?
1) Recognize Crimea as a part of Russia. Before this war was a part of Russia in fact.
2) Recognize Dombass as an independent region. Before this war was a part of Russia as well.
3) Forbidden NATO.
I think that Russia wants an honrous exit for this conflict, because no one understood this conflict, even in their own country, and it's normal, because it's just a part of the conquer plan of the new Tsar of all the Russians. I am sure that Putin has a Risk board in his office, and dreams to conquer the whole world.
This demands are so cheap, if you compare with finish the war. So i expect a lot of pressure for the president Zelensky to accept this demands.
I think that now the media war can start to change a little bit. Because Russia demands are so so cheap for an external point of view.
1) Recognize Crimea as a part of Russia. Before this war was a part of Russia in fact.
2) Recognize Dombass as an independent region. Before this war was a part of Russia as well.
3) Forbidden NATO.
I think that Russia wants an honrous exit for this conflict, because no one understood this conflict, even in their own country, and it's normal, because it's just a part of the conquer plan of the new Tsar of all the Russians. I am sure that Putin has a Risk board in his office, and dreams to conquer the whole world.
This demands are so cheap, if you compare with finish the war. So i expect a lot of pressure for the president Zelensky to accept this demands.
I think that now the media war can start to change a little bit. Because Russia demands are so so cheap for an external point of view.
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Our developer Eugene F, was just found alive and well today.
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Ukrainians fight like heroes. I m very much impressed by their braveness. Time is on their side, but the country will be recked.
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What happened to Ukraine, may happen to any other country at any moment in history, if Humankind keeps on that material-oriented-mindedness trend and lack of philosophy and humanity. We, humans in the 21st century, are about to enter the quantum era, but tens of years are welcoming the "investments" and bribes from the satraps in the World economy.
I think about Hendrik Lorentz's letters to Max Planck and how the person from a neutral country shared the truth about the war, to the person who lives in a war-propaganda environment and eventually helps to enlarged the view regarding the global picture.
I think about Hendrik Lorentz's letters to Max Planck and how the person from a neutral country shared the truth about the war, to the person who lives in a war-propaganda environment and eventually helps to enlarged the view regarding the global picture.
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Yes, our Armed Forces together with civil people are our strength and motivation these days. We are truly proud to have such a brave and united nation. Moreover, we will definitely re-build all destroyed cities and re-develop our country in the future, but for now, it is important to stop the aggressor, stop deaths of civil people, and stop genocide of Ukrainians.
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You are absolutely right. It is really a shame that not all people throughout our planet do realize the extent of this threat and what russians are currently doing on the territory of Ukraine. That is why it is important to spread the information to as many people as possible and make them be involved.arb12 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:31 amWhat happened to Ukraine, may happen to any other country at any moment in history, if Humankind keeps on that material-oriented-mindedness trend and lack of philosophy and humanity. We, humans in the 21st century, are about to enter the quantum era, but tens of years are welcoming the "investments" and bribes from the satraps in the World economy.
I think about Hendrik Lorentz's letters to Max Planck and how the person from a neutral country shared the truth about the war, to the person who lives in a war-propaganda environment and eventually helps to enlarged the view regarding the global picture.
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I am particularly worried about the 120.000 Greeks of Mariupol. The city is besieged by Russia and already hanger and thirst is killing people. Some 2200 residents of the city are already killed.
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Yes, our hearts and prayers are with people in Mariupol. Russian troops keep firing and shelling civil buildings in all neighborhoods throughout the city. A lot of people are under blockage. The city has no power, gas, or water supply as utilities were destroyed by russian occupants. Moreover, they have failed to provide a humanitarian corridor multiple times. This is unacceptable and truly inhumane.
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I think there is a massacre in Mariupol, a city of some 400.000 people. An international trial should be started, but somehow the responsible for that are escaping.
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Yes, you are right. Moreover, the killing and genocide of Ukrainian people are taking place all over Ukraine. Almost every city/town/village is suffering from Russian occupants. They must take legal responsibility and consequences for what they have already done.
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