Arbusers

Alfa1234 wrote: Smarkets falls somewhere in between.

Ingarb3 wrote:

luctens wrote: Have you ever seen these multiple closing downs as just a small sign that these operators won't be allowing your funny games under any circumstances and that you either need to change your ways or clear off from these operators? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. You're obviously suffering from an extremely large dose of it.

This is an arbing forum, you do know that right? 

The very clear message is that the overwhelming majority of Black Type and Smarkets customers (ie. the ones that aren't messing them about) are betting with them unrestricted with no problems, it's as simple as that.

The very clear message is that the overwhelming majority of William Hill customers (ie. the ones that aren't messing them about) are betting with them unrestricted with no problems, it's as simple as that.

Do you actually arb luctens? I have a sneaky feeling you don't 

luctens wrote: Yes I do arb, but I play with a straight bat, and because of that, I've never got into any of the problems you've got yourself into.

And obviously I know this is an arbing forum, and most arbers are up to something or other that the softbooks don't like and they therefore will limit you, but you have to be up to something way above the norm in order to get limited by otherwise no restriction bookmakers and exchanges, so obviously you are up to something way above the norm in order to get yourself closed down by Black Type and Smarkets. But the message is very clearly there on multiple occasions from two operators that are otherwise extremely understanding and non-restrictive in that they aren't going to accept your tactics, so either buck up your ideas or stop moaning that you keep getting closed down for playing the same funny games over and over with them.

The comparison you make with William Hill and Black Type and Smarkets is completely pointless. William Hill don't accept smart bettors, whether you're playing it straight with them or not, plain and simple. Black Type and Smarkets do accept smart bettors, but not if you play funny games with them. It really is very simple. You obviously just can't deal with just using Black Type and Smarkets normally to extremely easily avail yourself of their no restriction betting offerings, you just can't help yourself but try and take it that one step too far and play funny games with them, and in doing that you've got yourself got banned multiple times from places that the overwhelming majority of people have never had a bet rejected, an account closed or had any problems whatsoever. That's an awful situation that you've managed to get yourself into by doing some extremely dumb things.

Alfa1234 wrote: Maybe in your opinion, but clearly you know the reason they restrict your account is simply because you are taking advantage of a small technical loophole they have.

Are they entitled to do that?  Yes, they can chose whoever they want as a client...are they ethically right to do it?  Yes and no as technically they are an exchange and shouldn't restrict anyone...but you aren't just taking the regular exchange odds, you are taking advantage of a slight delay in the display of the true odds that just haven't had time to be corrected yet.

Ingarb3 wrote:

luctens wrote: Yes I do arb, but I play with a straight bat, and because of that, I've never got into any of the problems you've got yourself into.

And obviously I know this is an arbing forum, and most arbers are up to something or other that the softbooks don't like and they therefore will limit you, but you have to be up to something way above the norm in order to get limited by otherwise no restriction bookmakers and exchanges, so obviously you are up to something way above the norm in order to get yourself closed down by Black Type and Smarkets. But the message is very clearly there on multiple occasions from two operators that are otherwise extremely understanding and non-restrictive in that they aren't going to accept your tactics, so either buck up your ideas or stop moaning that you keep getting closed down for playing the same funny games over and over with them.

The comparison you make with William Hill and Black Type and Smarkets is completely pointless. William Hill don't accept smart bettors, whether you're playing it straight with them or not, plain and simple. Black Type and Smarkets do accept smart bettors, but not if you play funny games with them. It really is very simple. You obviously just can't deal with just using Black Type and Smarkets normally to extremely easily avail yourself of their no restriction betting offerings, you just can't help yourself but try and take it that one step too far and play funny games with them, and in doing that you've got yourself got banned multiple times from places that the overwhelming majority of people have never had a bet rejected, an account closed or had any problems whatsoever. That's an awful situation that you've managed to get yourself into by doing some extremely dumb things.

Firstly, if you're an arber you're not playing with a "straight bat"!

Secondly, who is complaining ? I make on average 2k with every Smarkets account and made over 3k profit this weekend with the last Blacktype account. My last Will Hill account lasted 8 weeks - compared to 1 heavy weekend with Blacktype. I just treat them both as another soft book. No complaining here.

If I'm up to something so bad, why do Betfair, Pinnacle and SBO welcome me with open arms? You're an idiot to think Blacktype is going to rescue the betting industry and allow smart bettors long term.

luctens wrote:
I do play with a straight bat as I understand that although as an arber I am an enemy of the bookmakers, that doesn't mean I have to sink into the depths that you kind of people sink into, playing funny games and getting shut down by the handful of operators that are actually letting us get a bet on at all times.

You're obviously the one complaining, constantly going on and on whining that you've been shut down by Black Type and Smarkets when the overwhelming majority can get on with no problems. You really need to get over it and stop moaning about it.

As I've already said, who knows what funny games you're up to that others will allow but Black Type and Smarkets won't allow. But the main point that actually matters to everybody is that if you play it straight and fair with Black Type and Smarkets, you'll have no problem, and if you play funny games like people like you do, then you'll have problems.

And you can only judge Black Type on the time they've been operational, and they've stuck to what they've said they were going to do from day 1, so there's absolutely no foundation whatsoever in your opinion that Black Type won't be around for the long term.

Ingarb3 wrote:

luctens wrote:
I do play with a straight bat as I understand that although as an arber I am an enemy of the bookmakers, that doesn't mean I have to sink into the depths that you kind of people sink into, playing funny games and getting shut down by the handful of operators that are actually letting us get a bet on at all times.

You're obviously the one complaining, constantly going on and on whining that you've been shut down by Black Type and Smarkets when the overwhelming majority can get on with no problems. You really need to get over it and stop moaning about it.

As I've already said, who knows what funny games you're up to that others will allow but Black Type and Smarkets won't allow. But the main point that actually matters to everybody is that if you play it straight and fair with Black Type and Smarkets, you'll have no problem, and if you play funny games like people like you do, then you'll have problems.

And you can only judge Black Type on the time they've been operational, and they've stuck to what they've said they were going to do from day 1, so there's absolutely no foundation whatsoever in your opinion that Black Type won't be around for the long term.

Right - I'm sorry, but you're definitely a troll  You had me going there for a while. Well played Mr Luctens, well played 

dejected wrote: Does anyone know of a feed of blacktype horse racing prices? Or a site with them that can be scraped? It's not for arbing, just for records, so can be slightly delayed. Want to record black type prices on my selections at set times of the day, to see if they will be profitable if my current soft books close me down.

whocares wrote: I am limited to £25 win betting only live football