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Re: Camera verification now compulsory for both Skrill and Neteller

Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:42 pm

campeones wrote: Smart betting as we know is simply dying. it is not dying from Coronavirus, but it is murdered by PaySafe.
Even if sporting events will start again, and I believe they will start again, the smart betting will not be the same.
First, because PaySafe skyrocketed the fees. This is how the black market is working exactly.
Secondly, because camera verification will kick almost everyone out of business. Some very well organized people will stay in business but their fees will also skyrocket and their margins will be very much limited.

Shame on PaySafe. I m sure they don't realize that they are killing their own business.
Guys, are you all buying those shady fake accounts from the net? I don't see how this is any problem for my people. The main problem is that booies are accepting Skrill less and less and they look bad at you if you deposit with Skrill. This may actually help if Skrill look more legit after this.
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:52 pm

This forum is full of multi-accounters and this will impact 90% of the guys here. Its the end of an era.
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:48 am

From another website:

“Bet365 is biggest customer for Skrill/Neteller but they got hit hard by organized groups via fake accounts on random persons. Hence bet365 closed many countries from using Skrill/Neteller and in result this was big damage for Skrill/Neteller earnings. Now they try to clean / purge all such accounts as it is requirement by Bet365 in order to resume business.”

Makes sense. But how many real people will use bet365 and deposit via skrill? Not much..
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:06 am

I'm skeptical in regards to the damage this could do. The model of gratuitous multi-accounters siphoning cash cow bookies with fake ids and accounts was dying out as I was getting started I think. So if anyone here is still playing that game, they are either incredibly smart or have not been here for a very long time.
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Re: Camera verification now compulsory for both Skrill and Neteller

Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:07 am

When it is estimated that they start in a massive way?
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Re: Camera verification now compulsory for both Skrill and Neteller

Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:43 am

they already started 2 or 3 days agp
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Re: Camera verification now compulsory for both Skrill and Neteller

Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:01 pm

real gamblers wont use skrill or neteller in no way. its the gamblers,fake accounters,multi accounters,arbers,botters who made neteller and skrill what they are today. who else from the "real" world would ever use an ewallet ?
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:53 pm

autobetting wrote: real gamblers wont use skrill or neteller in no way. its the gamblers,fake accounters,multi accounters,arbers,botters who made neteller and skrill what they are today. who else from the "real" world would ever use an ewallet ?
I'm not sure you are right, you can hide your betting from banks, government(they are countries which will deny your use of local bookies, or in some countries you can't use banks to deposit), maybe from family.... It's useful for gamblers also.
BTW I remember a long time ago, when Skrill was still Moneybookers, you had to deposit on your account from a bank account or a card. Otherwise you would have very low transaction limits. But then they were greedy and encourage people to make fake accounts.
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Re: Camera verification now compulsory for both Skrill and Neteller

Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:13 pm

Trevorr wrote:
autobetting wrote: real gamblers wont use skrill or neteller in no way. its the gamblers,fake accounters,multi accounters,arbers,botters who made neteller and skrill what they are today. who else from the "real" world would ever use an ewallet ?
BTW I remember a long time ago, when Skrill was still Moneybookers, you had to deposit on your account from a bank account or a card. Otherwise you would have very low transaction limits.
That's not true : Moneybookers never obliged its costumers to deposit through card or bank in order to get account fully verified.

Back in time , you needed to send only ID and your account would be fully verified ; so you could have unlimited limits.That life was so easy.

If you did not send ID , then you would have low limits , something like 3k limits (outgoing + ingoing transactions).

All started to go to shit that moment when Paysafe bought Moneybookers...
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:23 pm

fnatic91 wrote:
Trevorr wrote:
autobetting wrote: real gamblers wont use skrill or neteller in no way. its the gamblers,fake accounters,multi accounters,arbers,botters who made neteller and skrill what they are today. who else from the "real" world would ever use an ewallet ?
BTW I remember a long time ago, when Skrill was still Moneybookers, you had to deposit on your account from a bank account or a card. Otherwise you would have very low transaction limits.
That's not true : Moneybookers never obliged its costumers to deposit through card or bank in order to get account fully verified.

Back in time , you needed to send only ID and your account would be fully verified ; so you could have unlimited limits.That life was so easy.

If you did not send ID , then you would have low limits , something like 3k limits (outgoing + ingoing transactions).

All started to go to shit that moment when Paysafe bought Moneybookers...
I remember it well. it was like this for my country- you opened an account you had 1k limit, you send ID you had +5k, then you deposit you had +5k, after 3 months you had automatically +5k then you could have unlimited account if you asked and they agreed. You are right you could use an account with 6k limit(maybe 11k), but  there was also great risk, I have more incidents back then, now I have no problems many years. I had several fully verified account locked, I don't even think what would happen if there were semi-verified. I'm talking about year like 2005. And fees were capped at 0,5 EUR LOL, I don't remember their VIP programs very well back then, I think they didn't have so many levels like today. But it was easy to have zero fees.
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Re: Camera verification now compulsory for both Skrill and Neteller

Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:55 pm

autobetting wrote: real gamblers wont use skrill or neteller in no way. its the gamblers,fake accounters,multi accounters,arbers,botters who made neteller and skrill what they are today. who else from the "real" world would ever use an ewallet ?
what would use real gamblers in your opinion? bcs, as other users already told you, not all countries allow you to infront of sunlight, so Skrill+Neteller was a good combo to keep our business going. Now they are shit (not only due to this new verification, we can discuss further about it), so what's the new way for serious gamglers now?

no critics really, I'm one of those who got fucked from skrill+neteller and now is in trouble to find a new valid payment system (Asia gambler)
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:11 pm

We can hope that one day bet365 will introduce the bitcoin deposit option then paysafe can go to hell..but sooner or later bet365 will use the camera verification as well. I miss the good old days when a front/back ID picture was enough, and nobody asked selfie, source of funds, and other bullshits..
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Re: Camera verification now compulsory for both Skrill and Neteller

Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:37 am

PaySafe claims to be responsible in times of need and reduces to 0 fees for all Italian clients.
No question about it, I congratulate them for this.
At the same time, the company is adding multiple fees to all other clients and that includes Spanish clients as well who feel equal pressure from Coronavirus.

During these last weeks, I received offers and discounts almost from all the companies I m am currently using. The latest example has been Google, which extended my lower fees period for 6 more months. This is just an example as I could use examples from airlines, banks, supermarkets, whatever you can imagine.

PaySafe is the company that made the worst possible impression and there is only 1 word coming to my mind when thinking of them.
This is hypocrisy.
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Re: Camera verification now compulsory for both Skrill and Neteller

Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:08 pm

Camma23 wrote: they already started 2 or 3 days agp
This like a lot of restrictive measures we learn about here in terms of bookie limitations and e-wallet issues seems to be related to specific activity/locality. For instance I have not received any message about these new measures, and at this point my over 5 year old account is still "fully verified", but obviously this could change tomorrow.

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