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Re: Covid19 vac

Thu May 13, 2021 11:19 am

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nahcarts wrote: If you are under 50 you will survive on 99,999 %. With never tried mRNA vaccine here are risks as develop allery, impotence, or nobody knows what else, not only death. There are no reason to take vaccine.
Under 50 rate of death is 0.1%. It means 1 death per 1000.
because you count only positive tested, corona has 3 times more death by scientists than flu. Nothing big.
Is NOT true that if you take vaccine you will not spread virus to other people.
Effects of vaccine lasts 3-6 months, new mutation can kill you too.
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Re: Covid19 vac

Thu May 13, 2021 11:49 am

nahcarts wrote:
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nahcarts wrote: If you are under 50 you will survive on 99,999 %. With never tried mRNA vaccine here are risks as develop allery, impotence, or nobody knows what else, not only death. There are no reason to take vaccine.
Under 50 rate of death is 0.1%. It means 1 death per 1000.
because you count only positive tested, corona has 3 times more death by scientists than flu. Nothing big.
Is NOT true that if you take vaccine you will not spread virus to other people.
Effects of vaccine lasts 3-6 months, new mutation can kill you too.
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/839350/Surveillance_of_influenza_and_other_respiratory_viruses_in_the_UK_2018_to_2019-FINAL.pdf

Page 51

2014/15  28,330
2015/16  11,875
2016/17  18,009
2017/18  26,408

Right now in UK, Worldometres says 127,640 deaths.

Some considerations about these dates:

1) You can say that is more than one year, and i will say that vaccines were administrated since January, and there are a lot of deaths that didn't been counted.
2) No one care about flu, and no one take any kind of home prison, or close the tourism, or declare alarm state. Imagine what kind of dates we should have if we didn't take any kind of measures, if you want to compare with flu. Maybe UK could have 1M deaths easily.
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Re: Covid19 vac

Thu May 13, 2021 1:32 pm

Since  the criminals who funded and planted this fabricated virus are arrested and brought to justice, let's continue talking about the pros and cons of vaccines.
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Re: Covid19 vac

Thu May 13, 2021 7:39 pm

youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=VrNQ8hkxHw8

worth a watch,real Immunologist who know what he is talking about and see his conclusion
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Re: Covid19 vac

Fri May 14, 2021 12:09 am

Wolfie wrote: But still is more than 0 percent right ?
Do you realize how many stupid, useless shit every human being does every single day which has a much higher (but still infinitely lower) risk of killing you?  Do you think every time you cross the street:  "well, the chances of me getting killed here are more than 0 percent, so I'll stay on this side of the street, just to be safe"?  If you do, you need to see a psychologist, but at least you're "more than 0 percent" comment makes sense. If not, it doesn't.  The risk of any serious side effect from this vaccine is so infinitely low the human brain is not able to process it,  not even the human brain of a trained bettor apparently.  By taking the vaccine you're helping others whose chances of surviving corona are much worse than ours, and what are we risking? Nothing.
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Re: Covid19 vac

Fri May 14, 2021 4:44 am

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Wolfie wrote: But still is more than 0 percent right ?
By taking the vaccine you're helping others whose chances of surviving corona are much worse than ours, and what are we risking? Nothing.
Exactly this bulsit is part of propaganda, you not helping others, because your body spread virus no matter if you are or not vaccinated.
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Re: Covid19 vac

Fri May 14, 2021 8:14 am

There's research proving what you say is false, you're much less likely to infect others when vaccinated as you spread much less virus. Why do you think cases are dropping like a stone when a country reaches a certain vaccination level?  Or is all that also "part of the propaganda"?
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Re: Covid19 vac

Fri May 14, 2021 9:00 am

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Wolfie wrote: But still is more than 0 percent right ?
Do you realize how many stupid, useless shit every human being does every single day which has a much higher (but still infinitely lower) risk of killing you?  Do you think every time you cross the street:  "well, the chances of me getting killed here are more than 0 percent, so I'll stay on this side of the street, just to be safe"?  If you do, you need to see a psychologist, but at least you're "more than 0 percent" comment makes sense. If not, it doesn't.  The risk of any serious side effect from this vaccine is so infinitely low the human brain is not able to process it,  not even the human brain of a trained bettor apparently.  By taking the vaccine you're helping others whose chances of surviving corona are much worse than ours, and what are we risking? Nothing.
I could use the same argument to say that probability of dying from covid under 50 is so low, so why go and take the vaccine. Would you take a vaccine against walking on the street risk of dying ? And after you take the vaccine of street protection you could still die on the street, but you will take some not yet fully studied side effects too for sure. But this is a coffee shop argument just like yours. Same animal instinct of protection that you have while going all in for the vaccine with 0 analyzing of the situation seems to manifest in your cynic post by mentioning psychologists. Please try to read my post carefully taking your animal instinct aside because it literally says im not anti vaccine. And my other previous post says:  For humanity as a whole is better to get vaccinated. Making arguments pros and cons is part of the process in reaching a conclusion in fully grown human beings.
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Re: Covid19 vac

Fri May 14, 2021 9:11 am

Wolfie wrote:
vinciguerra wrote:
Wolfie wrote: But still is more than 0 percent right ?
Do you realize how many stupid, useless shit every human being does every single day which has a much higher (but still infinitely lower) risk of killing you?  Do you think every time you cross the street:  "well, the chances of me getting killed here are more than 0 percent, so I'll stay on this side of the street, just to be safe"?  If you do, you need to see a psychologist, but at least you're "more than 0 percent" comment makes sense. If not, it doesn't.  The risk of any serious side effect from this vaccine is so infinitely low the human brain is not able to process it,  not even the human brain of a trained bettor apparently.  By taking the vaccine you're helping others whose chances of surviving corona are much worse than ours, and what are we risking? Nothing.
I could use the same argument to say that probability of dying from covid under 50 is so low, so why go and take the vaccine. Would you take a vaccine against walking on the street risk of dying ? And after you take the vaccine of street protection you could still die on the street, but you will take some not yet fully studied side effects too for sure. But this is a coffee shop argument just like yours. Same animal instinct of protection that you have while going all in for the vaccine with 0 analyzing of the situation seems to manifest in your cynic post by mentioning psychologists. Please try to read my post carefully taking your animal instinct aside because it literally says im not anti vaccine. And my other previous post says:  For humanity as a whole is better to get vaccinated. Making arguments pros and cons is part of the process in reaching a conclusion in fully grown human beings.
I understood in my life, that you can defend every position that you want and you can have a lot of arguments to defend one or the opposite.
This is a personal question that everyone have to ask to themselves.
The probability of being infected soon or later is almost 100%. I think that everyone agree with me in this aspect, until you become an agoraphobic guy, and don't get out from your house for ever.
So, what i say is just compare the risks of being vaccinated against not.
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Re: Covid19 vac

Fri May 14, 2021 9:50 am

Wolfie wrote: I could use the same argument to say that probability of dying from covid under 50 is so low, so why go and take the vaccine.
As you say yourself, to help others. You don't do it for yourself if you're not a risk category.

I brought up the psychologist because there are in fact millions of people with anxiety disorders, who have trouble handling risk. They see danger eveywhere and can't rationalize actual risk being very low in certain situations and properly evaluating risk/reward.  If you're too afraid to cross the street, you won't have a satisfying life obviously.

The talk about the vaccine side-effects seems to have legitimized this kind of thinking in all sorts of otherwise normal people, who think an infinitely low risk is suddenly something they should seriously consider whether or not to take a vaccine. In daily life a normal, same person discards similar risks all the time every second, without a second thought, even though reward of taking that risk is  not always clear. It's part of living you do things without considering an infinitely low risk of something unexpected happening.

With the whole vaccine debate part of the population is suddenly behaving like they have an anxiety disorder, obviously caused by mainstream media reporting about side-effects and not so mainstream media talking about propaganda. We're all betting people, we are supposed to understand odds and risks, and from a rational point of view it doesn't make sense.
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Re: Covid19 vac

Fri May 14, 2021 10:49 am

Wolfie wrote: I could use the same argument to say that probability of dying from covid under 50 is so low, so why go and take the vaccine. Would you take a vaccine against walking on the street risk of dying ?
Sure you will ....  looking left AND right crossing a street , risking not see the ground and trip , get dizzy and faint ,  put presure on hart-brain that can fail temporary , means you are prepared to take a small logical risk against a bigger one.
(thats what a vaccine does ... )

You act like a cat that is bored to look left and right filing safe  , so just cross fast  ....
Because she is young and quick and no many cars around this work , but imagine a pandemic that lot of cats been trapped in a circular filed with cars going around them ... will be a massacre.

There is also the scientific - human reason to take vaccime even the young and fierless .... if we manage to get all the young amuned in like 5 months,  will be created a amune wall of 60% , and that will protect the less fortunate  ...

Act like you are betting ....  the more common a virus is, the more safe your bet is (vaccine) because you will get the virus and the bet will win - help you.
The more dangerous a virus is, the more dangerous a vaccime is (bigger and risky bet ) so you have to think more if worth to make it .. if you never gona get ebola the risk af vaccine bet is too much even if the winnings on saving you from ebola is huge..
(convid is almost a sure and safe bet, with profits comming soon)

Ps
BECARFULL  conspiracy theory follows ..
Many people believe in natural selection, so they want cats to die if not smart to look left or right, also maybe like people to die if they cant get how a vaccine can help them, and also their close friends  ...  i think there is a possible global conspiracy to get rid of people that cant process the benefits minus dangers well.
(in some months the convid will be like a very bad flue and less people will die, so nowane will care to save you and inform you if you dont take care)
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Re: Covid19 vac

Sat May 15, 2021 8:53 am

nahcarts wrote: if you are under 50 age, don´t take it. Let your immunity get better itself without this shit.
Mate i know more than a few people under 50 who got severely ill , hospitalized , had to use ventilators and even died!
And i haven't heard about these people in news! They were my friends!
I lost two friends aged 39 and 44 from this disease and they didn't had any health problems before covid!
So even if you are under 50 or even under 40 you are not safe!
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Re: Covid19 vac

Sat May 15, 2021 8:57 am

CharlieSheen99 wrote: Probability of vaccine to kill you?
I just searched google: 168 cases of clots with 21.2M of vaccines administrated.
It means: 0.00079245% of probabilities. We are all bettors so i will tell you the odds: 1261
I searched bet365. Odds for Albany to win Eurovision is 501.
I searched cycling: Odds for Jefferson Alexander Cepeda is 1501 to win Giro do Italia.

Seriously do you think that vaccine can kill you?
And, if you take the ratio: deaths of people under 50 divided by people infected under 50.
What odds do you have?

Common......, theory of conspiracy are okkk and funny, but i prefer dates.
Correct! Get the vaccine is a value bet and the value increases with the age of person vaccinated! No question about it!
I am not worried about the short term possible side effects of vaccination! I can live with these odds
Long term consequences is what worries me the most , given the fact that these vaccines is not thoroughly tested and that's the main difference with the well established vaccines for other viruses
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Re: Covid19 vac

Sat May 15, 2021 3:13 pm

cortomaltese wrote: I am not worried about the short term possible side effects of vaccination! I can live with these odds
Long term consequences is what worries me the most , given the fact that these vaccines is not thoroughly tested and that's the main difference with the well established vaccines for other viruses
Right , no need to worry about short terms  ,  its just math and  convid dont need much testing.

Cheapests and fastest "vaccine" is to just take the less dangerous mutation of the existing convid19 virus , multiply it and save it to a fridge , and then eject it to kids and people under 40 .... this could be named  vaccime true70, because its a true virus but makes 70% less damage than other mutations, and protects you and fammily from getting a harder mutation sooner or later.

There are not long terms dangers from the vaccine that dont exist on the virus  ...  if  the virus is made in china and you scared  can make you zombi after 5 years :)  you have less reasons to be afraid of the vaccine can do the same ... also virus mutations can be even worse and more unpredictable
(there is no way to make a vaccine more dangerous than the virus is made to fight, unless you want to infect your people in purpose .  even mrna has just a dna copy and is no worse than true virus , excluding small extra danger because of high volume injected that can cause reactions)

* all this dont apply to aids vaccime for example ... needs million more tests to be considered safe and usefull than convid vac needs
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Re: Covid19 vac

Sat May 15, 2021 3:45 pm

sorry , dp ...

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