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Re: Gambling sites face ‘unfair’ practices probe

Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:48 pm

Ingarb3 wrote: How did you ignore him?? I cannot see that option
You as well is it? Chucking your toys out the pram like a baby just because somebody doesn't agree with you. Oh dear.
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Re: Gambling sites face ‘unfair’ practices probe

Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:07 am

[quote author=dejected link=topic=4473.msg52114#msg52114 date=147795129

You do realize that when you create a duplicate account or bet from a third party account you are not only in breach of the bookie terms and conditions, you are probably breaking money laundering laws and maybe even committing fraud. But that is OK because the bookies forced you in to doing it by not allowing you to take free money from them. As I said, you just don't get it do you?

I'm not an arber at the moment, but if bookie restrictions were removed i would become one overnight! And very quickly be a multimillionaire.

[/quote]

you've come on here as a "know-it-all" but you're name "dejected" speaks for itself.

statement no.1 above is a bold and WRONG statement, I happen to know a good deal more about this than you obviously do and to come on here implying that arbers are fraudsters and money launderers is out of order, the bookmakers would love if we all thought incorrectly as you do.

as for your other statement I saved, if bookie restrictions were removed? then any fool not only you could become a millionaire, so what is your point?, the skill of an arber is to LEGALLY get round bookie restrictions
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as you put it, "you just don't get it do you?"

to clarify for you before you send one of your "replies" money laundering is the concealment of
illegally obtained money, breaking or infringing a bookmakers terms and conditions is not illegal, there has been
no law passed stating you can't be too clever for a bookmaker, no money is being illegally obtained

in future before you make such a bold, ridiculous and dangerous statement please be sure about what you
are saying first, you are proving you think you are a lot smarter than you actually are.
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Re: Gambling sites face ‘unfair’ practices probe

Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:35 am

luctens wrote:
Ingarb3 wrote: How did you ignore him?? I cannot see that option
You as well is it? Chucking your toys out the pram like a baby just because somebody doesn't agree with you. Oh dear.
Apparently the option is there, under profile->modify profilt->ignore lists but it looks like it does not work. If a function of the SMF template and it looks like this one does not support it properly. It works on the topic summary when replying to a post, but not on the post itself :(

There are 2 types of arbers, luctens. There are the ones that understand how the game works, how the market has changes over the past few years, why and how prices are set how they are, where the money they take is coming from, where they fit in to the big picture. They understand why bookmakers restrict, and the maths behind the bookie detection algorithms, They also understand that without the restrictions, arbing would be come much, much, much, harder.

Then there are the other ones, the pawns of the base books and the arb finding services. Which category do you fit in to luctens? yorkloss?

I know very little yorkloss, but I don't contact newbies by PM thinking I will be able to take advantage of them. In one PM you said you would love to be able to make enough arbing to live in the sun, in the next pm you say you are making 6 figures through arbing? I wonder how you do that!

I did not say all arbers WERE breaking the law, I said in some cases some of them may be. Try looking up the legal definition of fraud. OK I'll do it for you "The requisite elements of fraud as a tort generally are the intentional misrepresentation or concealment of an important fact upon which the victim is meant to rely, and in fact does rely, to the harm of the victim." Correct me if i'm wrong, but I think there is a lot of intentional misrepresentation and concealment going on in duplicate and third party accounts. But as fraud is difficult and expensive to prove, it is easier for the bookies to say that you have broken their terms an conditions and keep the money :)

My point was a little sarcastic yorkloss, if the restrictions were removed, a lot of the arbers making money now would not be able to do it because it would have a fundamental change on how the bookmaking market operates. Many just don't seem  understand (I'm sure you do) that they are allowed to make money because of the current market conditions. In fact they are an essential part of it, transferring money from mug punters to the base books, via the soft books.
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Re: Gambling sites face ‘unfair’ practices probe

Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:45 am

dejected wrote:
luctens wrote:
Ingarb3 wrote: How did you ignore him?? I cannot see that option
You as well is it? Chucking your toys out the pram like a baby just because somebody doesn't agree with you. Oh dear.
[/quote

I did not say all arbers WERE breaking the law, I said in some cases some of them may be. Try looking up the legal definition of fraud. OK I'll do it for you "The requisite elements of fraud as a tort generally are the intentional misrepresentation or concealment of an important fact upon which the victim is meant to rely, and in fact does rely, to the harm of the victim." Correct me if i'm wrong, but I think there is a lot of intentional misrepresentation and concealment going on in duplicate and third party accounts. But as fraud is difficult and expensive to prove, it is easier for the bookies to say that you have broken their terms an conditions and keep the money :)
for someone who doesn't arb you know so much, the only activities you can write about are your own, no one
elses, to be accusing arbers once again of fraud with no proof other than your opinion basically sums you up.

furthermore any arber who posts that he arbs from "the sun" I contact as it's a subject that greatly interests me and I've had valuable conversations on this with many from here and met a few arbers too, all great guys, to say I was "taking advantage" of you again sums you up, as an arber you have nothing for me to take advantage of, guys who think they know everything I have no time for.
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Re: Gambling sites face ‘unfair’ practices probe

Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:55 am

yorkjoss wrote:
dejected wrote:
luctens wrote: You as well is it? Chucking your toys out the pram like a baby just because somebody doesn't agree with you. Oh dear.
[/quote

I did not say all arbers WERE breaking the law, I said in some cases some of them may be. Try looking up the legal definition of fraud. OK I'll do it for you "The requisite elements of fraud as a tort generally are the intentional misrepresentation or concealment of an important fact upon which the victim is meant to rely, and in fact does rely, to the harm of the victim." Correct me if i'm wrong, but I think there is a lot of intentional misrepresentation and concealment going on in duplicate and third party accounts. But as fraud is difficult and expensive to prove, it is easier for the bookies to say that you have broken their terms an conditions and keep the money :)
for someone who doesn't arb you know so much, the only activities you can write about are your own, no one
elses, to be accusing arbers once again of fraud with no proof other than your opinion basically sums you up.
So what was the conclusions in the Andrei Osipau case? I'm a newbie, interested in arbing. could you explain to me yorkloss how to operate multiple accounts without running the risk of being convicted of fraud? Guess that would be giving your secrets away.
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Re: Gambling sites face ‘unfair’ practices probe

Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:02 am

dejected wrote:
luctens wrote:
Ingarb3 wrote: How did you ignore him?? I cannot see that option
There are 2 types of arbers, luctens. There are the ones that understand how the game works, how the market has changes over the past few years, why and how prices are set how they are, where the money they take is coming from, where they fit in to the big picture. They understand why bookmakers restrict, and the maths behind the bookie detection algorithms, They also understand that without the restrictions, arbing would be come much, much, much, harder.

Then there are the other ones, the pawns of the base books and the arb finding services. Which category do you fit in to luctens? yorkloss?
from your comment you clearly believe that you are the type of arber that understand how the game works and all that other bullshit you wrote, whereas people like luctens an myself are just "pawns of the base books"

well you got one thing right out of all the rubbish you write, there are  2 types of arber, one's who
make money and one's who don't, which category do you fit in?
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Re: Gambling sites face ‘unfair’ practices probe

Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:07 am

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yorkjoss wrote:
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you're just another parasite on here for a free lunch, I wish to explain nothing to you in regards to making money from arbing, you are so clever you'll figure it out??? ;D
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Re: Gambling sites face ‘unfair’ practices probe

Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:13 am

Sorry if you were just being nice with your PM yorkloss, I just got the impression you could have been after 3rd party accounts as I said I have active softbook accounts. Thought I'd already figured it out!

If I did arb yorkloss I would make money, its not exactly difficult at the moment, but I choose not to do it. Trying to beat the system through arbing  is too much trouble for me. Plus I don't like working for other people who are making much more through MY efforts, even if it is indirectly. Although I like the intellectual challenge of trying to understand how it all fits together. Plus arguing :) I did say in my first post I like an argument. Helps me learn and keeps the brain active, laying in the sun all day it can get a bit fried :)

As for the 2 types of arbers. Ones that lose money? Hmmm
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Re: Gambling sites face ‘unfair’ practices probe

Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:19 am

Andrei Osipau was not an arber. He was a bonus abuser who used photoshopped passports and address documents to open accounts !
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Re: Gambling sites face ‘unfair’ practices probe

Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:26 am

dejected wrote: Sorry if you were just being nice with your PM yorkloss, I just got the impression you could have been after 3rd party accounts as I said I have active softbook accounts. Thought I'd already figured it out!

If I did arb yorkloss I would make money, its not exactly difficult at the moment, but I choose not to do it. Trying to beat the system through arbing  is too much trouble for me. Plus I don't like working for other people who are making much more through MY efforts, even if it is indirectly. Although I like the intellectual challenge of trying to understand how it all fits together. Plus arguing :) I did say in my first post I like an argument. Helps me learn and keeps the brain active, laying in the sun all day it can get a bit fried :)

As for the 2 types of arbers. Ones that lose money? Hmmm
more bullshit, one post you say you want to arb then the next you don't, in one sentence you say arbing
is "not exactly difficult" and in the next line it's "too much trouble", all you are demonstrating is that you
clearly don't have a clue how to be a successful arber but wish you did.

and who said anything about losing money? not me, maybe your reading is not so good either?

Ingarb, I would not have elaborated on this, he had no right to associate arbers with the illegal activities
he mentioned and then to mention a convicted criminal to back up his argument, all he was proving that
despite how smart he thinks he is he does not "get it" that is of course why he is on here because he badly wants it.
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Re: Gambling sites face ‘unfair’ practices probe

Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:30 am

Ingarb3 wrote: Andrei Osipau was not an arber. He was a bonus abuser who used photoshopped passports and address documents to open accounts !
I think arbing is an easy way to ensure a profit from a bonus, but there may be other ways of doing it. It was just an example of how having duplicate / third party accounts can in some cases be classed as committing fraud.
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Re: Gambling sites face ‘unfair’ practices probe

Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:39 am

Lol what...!?  :o
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Re: Gambling sites face ‘unfair’ practices probe

Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:47 am

yorkjoss wrote: and who said anything about losing money? not me, maybe your reading is not so good either?
Did you not say
yorkjoss wrote:  there are  2 types of arber, one's who
make money and one's who don't, which category do you fit in?
I don't remember saying I want to arb. I probably said I want to learn more about it, it does not mean I want to do it. There are other reasons for wanting to learn about how the bookmaking market currently operates you know.
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Re: Gambling sites face ‘unfair’ practices probe

Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:58 am

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yorkjoss wrote: and who said anything about losing money? not me, maybe your reading is not so good either?
Did you not say
yorkjoss wrote:  there are  2 types of arber, one's who
make money and one's who don't, which category do you fit in?
I don't remember saying I want to arb. I probably said I want to learn more about it, it does not mean I want to do it. There are other reasons for wanting to learn about how the bookmaking market currently operates you know.
so your reading is not so good, not making money and losing money are two different things, are they not?

as for you not wanting to arb, that's irrelevant to me, I posted to correct your ridiculous statement about money laundering and fraud, clowns like you who make such statements do newbies no good, they may read that
and confuse you with someone who actually knows what they are talking about, you clearly don't
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Re: Gambling sites face ‘unfair’ practices probe

Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:09 am

dejected wrote:
Ingarb3 wrote: Andrei Osipau was not an arber. He was a bonus abuser who used photoshopped passports and address documents to open accounts !
I think arbing is an easy way to ensure a profit from a bonus, but there may be other ways of doing it. It was just an example of how having duplicate / third party accounts can in some cases be classed as committing fraud.
dejected, but he WAS committing a fraud regardless of whether he was a bonus abuser or an arber. He's fraud was falsifying documents. I don't think anybody here would advise you doing this. Asking a friend or a friend of friend, a real person with real id, for a help is entirely different story. And as YY stressed it's not a crime, in fact you can have a written contract/agreement with your friend in which you clarify conditions on which your friend asks you for help (because he's so bad at betting :) ). It wouldn't be illegal, just against bookies T&C. Where we really cross the line is somewhere else and it's better to leave it in the shadow

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