Horse Racing - the Sport of Kings

arb12 · Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:12 pm

Hello,
Are there Horse Racing lovers around?
Personally, I'm puzzled why in that top-notch UK-based forum, extremely liquidity UK-founded sports such as Cricket and Horse Racing aren't so popular.
I don't believe that here in that forum there aren't players, investing in Horse Racing. If anybody wants to ask something or share ideas, or simply chat about that one, let's discuss it here in that thread. I'm sure, that there are very advanced Horse Racing players worldwide, and if they share some personal impressions here, these ones may be hints for further strategy developments.

Naturally, nobody will be asked to reveal Her/His strategy in detail due to the threat of Her/His winnings being wiped out by the agencies.

arbusers · Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:35 pm

There are horse traders around, however, their numbers went down rapidly after the Premium Charges and the luck of a credible exchange to those from ''regulated'' markets.

arb12 · Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:03 pm

@ Arbusers,
Do you know any legit manner (brokerage firm, fully reliable agent, or something) to register at the HKJC for horses and soccer? My location is outside Hong Kong.
Thanks in advance.

AUAvi · Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:15 pm

Horse Racing & Cricket are the sports where I'm currently most active in.

I follow 2 jurisdictions in Horse Racing i.e Australia & UK. The racing in UK is extremely competitive and I've noticed that my strategies earn me much more profit in Australian Horse racing compared to UK Horse racing.

Betfair banned accounts from my country in 2019 and I've been forced to use Betting brokers where I can't use software and I can't "lay" horses either.

It took me a while to adjust my betting activities but I've been doing fairly well in the last 18 months or so.

ray mansi · Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:15 am

AUAvi wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:15 pm
Horse Racing & Cricket are the sports where I'm currently most active in.

I follow 2 jurisdictions in Horse Racing i.e Australia & UK. The racing in UK is extremely competitive and I've noticed that my strategies earn me much more profit in Australian Horse racing compared to UK Horse racing.

Betfair banned accounts from my country in 2019 and I've been forced to use Betting brokers where I can't use software and I can't "lay" horses either.

It took me a while to adjust my betting activities but I've been doing fairly well in the last 18 months or so.

you win without software. impressive. People have always said australia racing is harder.
How many times you try to bet in a cricket game or how many games average in day

That winning horse betfair strategy in this forum over 3 months i seen plus 43 units with longest setback minus 39 units
Do you think its worthwhile. Im not sure because some bet 5 % bankroll, but with this it has to be minimum only 2% so far

arb12 · Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:11 pm

ray mansi wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:15 am

AUAvi wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:15 pm
Horse Racing & Cricket are the sports where I'm currently most active in.

I follow 2 jurisdictions in Horse Racing i.e Australia & UK. The racing in UK is extremely competitive and I've noticed that my strategies earn me much more profit in Australian Horse racing compared to UK Horse racing.

Betfair banned accounts from my country in 2019 and I've been forced to use Betting brokers where I can't use software and I can't "lay" horses either.

It took me a while to adjust my betting activities but I've been doing fairly well in the last 18 months or so.

you win without software. impressive. People have always said australia racing is harder.
How many times you try to bet in a cricket game or how many games average in day

That winning horse betfair strategy in this forum over 3 months i seen plus 43 units with longest setback minus 39 units
Do you think its worthwhile. Im not sure because some bet 5 % bankroll, but with this it has to be minimum only 2% so far

Trading software and alert services aren't required at all if you breath the passion of these markets.
Jimmy Quinn at Chelmsford is one model, Franny Norton at Wolverhampton is another, and Frankie Dettori at Santa Anita is quite another.
When it comes to the Great game of Cricket, it is an encyclopaedia. Ask your questions in more detail, please. You can stake multiple times your entire capital within one game in one IPL trading game or similar.

ray mansi · Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:28 pm

arb12 wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:11 pm

ray mansi wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:15 am

AUAvi wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:15 pm
Horse Racing & Cricket are the sports where I'm currently most active in.

I follow 2 jurisdictions in Horse Racing i.e Australia & UK. The racing in UK is extremely competitive and I've noticed that my strategies earn me much more profit in Australian Horse racing compared to UK Horse racing.

Betfair banned accounts from my country in 2019 and I've been forced to use Betting brokers where I can't use software and I can't "lay" horses either.

It took me a while to adjust my betting activities but I've been doing fairly well in the last 18 months or so.

you win without software. impressive. People have always said australia racing is harder.
How many times you try to bet in a cricket game or how many games average in day

That winning horse betfair strategy in this forum over 3 months i seen plus 43 units with longest setback minus 39 units
Do you think its worthwhile. Im not sure because some bet 5 % bankroll, but with this it has to be minimum only 2% so far

Trading software and alert services aren't required at all if you breath the passion of these markets.
Jimmy Quinn at Chelmsford is one model, Franny Norton at Wolverhampton is another, and Frankie Dettori at Santa Anita is quite another.
When it comes to the Great game of Cricket, it is an encyclopaedia. Ask your questions in more detail, please. You can stake multiple times your entire capital within one game in one IPL trading game or similar.

well obvious one is for sure how they are able to win. The cricket market always even if keeping eye on the wickets the odds move so heavily that i simply cannot profit from it. But people dont reveal exactly so i was not gonna ask more precise, but focused on what i have seen has won. 14 full units per month is it normal with horse racing with that kind of drawdown. I feel like stop tracking it. i know people back and lay with cricket, but it beats me how they do it successfully. Maybe horse racing back laying is easier, but i did not figure it out either.

arb12 · Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:19 pm

ray mansi wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:28 pm

arb12 wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:11 pm

ray mansi wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:15 am

you win without software. impressive. People have always said australia racing is harder.
How many times you try to bet in a cricket game or how many games average in day

That winning horse betfair strategy in this forum over 3 months i seen plus 43 units with longest setback minus 39 units
Do you think its worthwhile. Im not sure because some bet 5 % bankroll, but with this it has to be minimum only 2% so far

Trading software and alert services aren't required at all if you breath the passion of these markets.
Jimmy Quinn at Chelmsford is one model, Franny Norton at Wolverhampton is another, and Frankie Dettori at Santa Anita is quite another.
When it comes to the Great game of Cricket, it is an encyclopaedia. Ask your questions in more detail, please. You can stake multiple times your entire capital within one game in one IPL trading game or similar.
well obvious one is for sure how they are able to win. The cricket market always even if keeping eye on the wickets the odds move so heavily that i simply cannot profit from it. But people dont reveal exactly so i was not gonna ask more precise, but focused on what i have seen has won. 14 full units per month is it normal with horse racing with that kind of drawdown. I feel like stop tracking it. i know people back and lay with cricket, but it beats me how they do it successfully. Maybe horse racing back laying is easier, but i did not figure it out either.

When I was a rookie, I didn't understand at all the hidden Statistics of Horse Racing and the rules of the Great game of Cricket and its beauty. It took me years to develop my current Models, which are still evolving and far from perfect. I still get some errors, but much fewer than some years earlier.
Do you know the 10.000-hour rule? Watch as much Cricket and Horse Racing as you can and you'll discover some hidden things that no one alert service will give you. Combine it with your own Stats Models.
You mention a profit of 14 units per month. It depends on your risk tolerance. I personally aim for long-term gains and reject short-term profit.
But if you observe statistically the unreal odds of 40/1 for Frankie Dettori at some particular tracks, or read carefully the wrong starting line-up for Royal Challengers Bangalore, you can overcome it repeatedly. But the short-term profit is not your friend in my opinion…

Addendum: Welcome here, if you want - for-the-love-of-the-game-cricket-actually-t8640/

ray mansi · Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:05 am

@arb12 You are very intelligent with lot of wisdom with that sport. I had same with another one i grew up with. I would like to continue conversation, but dont want to make it public here. Shame the site do not allow private message option

But i think there is some misundertanding about back laying. You say can bet entire capital. It sounds like betting entire bankroll one game. It doesnt make sense. Even if you win its only 0,1 unit. I see those who use betangel win if market moves by one tick. Same like someone else told in here how they win. But with 1-2 small tick movement you dont win manually. Especially with commission. Once i saw wicket in a game and odds still never moved enough to make profitable call. They move too little pre game also. And even if they do its so rare
I dont quite understand how their able and i dont. its not good. People dont even maybe care about sport and dont watch it but still they keep winning and laughing.
I have strategies that have never lost and predicted world cup european championship final winners 100 % since the beginning of history, but it doesnt matter, because it all happens so rare and same is with these odds movements. If i can know what to focus on i can work on from it. I dont think one extra person can kill 1000, 10000 100k , million liquidy market. I dont even have that kind of money. Maybe people and you still use some program to create algorithms. I dont have any program or subscribers somewhere site. Only access i have is pen and paper

arb12 · Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:44 pm

ray mansi wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:05 am
@arb12 You are very intelligent with lot of wisdom with that sport. I had same with another one i grew up with. I would like to continue conversation, but dont want to make it public here. Shame the site do not allow private message option

But i think there is some misundertanding about back laying. You say can bet entire capital. It sounds like betting entire bankroll one game. It doesnt make sense. Even if you win its only 0,1 unit. I see those who use betangel win if market moves by one tick. Same like someone else told in here how they win. But with 1-2 small tick movement you dont win manually. Especially with commission. Once i saw wicket in a game and odds still never moved enough to make profitable call. They move too little pre game also. And even if they do its so rare
I dont quite understand how their able and i dont. its not good. People dont even maybe care about sport and dont watch it but still they keep winning and laughing.
I have strategies that have never lost and predicted world cup european championship final winners 100 % since the beginning of history, but it doesnt matter, because it all happens so rare and same is with these odds movements. If i can know what to focus on i can work on from it. I dont think one extra person can kill 1000, 10000 100k , million liquidy market. I dont even have that kind of money. Maybe people and you still use some program to create algorithms. I dont have any program or subscribers somewhere site. Only access i have is pen and paper

Dear Mr. Ray Mansi,
I couldn't afford to suggest putting all your capital into one game. But that happened multiple times in the past, according to a specific trading plan and a proper risk management. I'm just telling you that I opened and closed a lot of market positions in one IPL game by placing a well-chosen 1/X part of my capital several times in an IPL/BBL/PSL game only when my own appropriate trade model settings were triggered. Nothing more. But the end result is this - several times my entire capital in a sole game. Before doing this, I built at least 10 years of the game Model, and the risks are not eliminated at all so far… You can place 4 and 5-digit market positions in just one IPL/BBL/PSL market and the positions will be accepted immediately. When you mentioned Wicket-takers, there is a huge difference when you consider the probability of a Wicket-taking from Imran Tahir, Jasprit Bumrah, Mohammed Shami, Dwayne Bravo etc.
Warren Buffett also only uses a pen, paper, and a calculator in his trading. That's enough if you know the game very well.

AUAvi · Tue Feb 06, 2024 11:23 am

ray mansi wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:15 am

AUAvi wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:15 pm
Horse Racing & Cricket are the sports where I'm currently most active in.

I follow 2 jurisdictions in Horse Racing i.e Australia & UK. The racing in UK is extremely competitive and I've noticed that my strategies earn me much more profit in Australian Horse racing compared to UK Horse racing.

Betfair banned accounts from my country in 2019 and I've been forced to use Betting brokers where I can't use software and I can't "lay" horses either.

It took me a while to adjust my betting activities but I've been doing fairly well in the last 18 months or so.

you win without software. impressive. People have always said australia racing is harder.
How many times you try to bet in a cricket game or how many games average in day

That winning horse betfair strategy in this forum over 3 months i seen plus 43 units with longest setback minus 39 units
Do you think its worthwhile. Im not sure because some bet 5 % bankroll, but with this it has to be minimum only 2% so far

I'll respond briefly to these questions now. Maybe at a later time, I can explain in detail.

Aussie racing is far easier than UK racing as a punter. The depth of racing in UK is too high compared to Aussie racing. I've consistently made more profit on Aussie racing so much so that these days, I rarely bet on UK while focusing almost exclusively on Aussie racing. Also, I concentrate so much on Aussie racing that by the time UK racing comes up, I'm down on energy and attention span. Maybe that plays a role in why I don't succeed in UK racing.

I've evolved a lot more when it comes to my Horse racing betting. What I posted there all those years ago, no longer holds true. While I still use those strategies, I've developed my own methods to consistently make $$$$

My stakes range between 20$ to 200$ per bet. I don't follow the % method.

I got the Horse Racing staking method you talked about. It doesn't work for me. It isn't worth it to me.

Coming to Cricket, I only bet on 1 market i.e "Match odds" these days. 80% of my bets are on this market and there's no fixed range when it comes to how many bets I make. I might make 3-4 bets per match or no bet at all.

I have a very good eye for Cricket. It's my favorite sport which I've followed since I was a kid. I've played for my School team too so I've got some practical experience too. IMO, Cricket is the sport where a punter can make the most money on Betfair, even ahead of Football and Tennis.

ray mansi · Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:06 pm

AUAvi wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 06, 2024 11:23 am

ray mansi wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:15 am

AUAvi wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:15 pm
Horse Racing & Cricket are the sports where I'm currently most active in.

I follow 2 jurisdictions in Horse Racing i.e Australia & UK. The racing in UK is extremely competitive and I've noticed that my strategies earn me much more profit in Australian Horse racing compared to UK Horse racing.

Betfair banned accounts from my country in 2019 and I've been forced to use Betting brokers where I can't use software and I can't "lay" horses either.

It took me a while to adjust my betting activities but I've been doing fairly well in the last 18 months or so.

you win without software. impressive. People have always said australia racing is harder.
How many times you try to bet in a cricket game or how many games average in day

That winning horse betfair strategy in this forum over 3 months i seen plus 43 units with longest setback minus 39 units
Do you think its worthwhile. Im not sure because some bet 5 % bankroll, but with this it has to be minimum only 2% so far
I'll respond briefly to these questions now. Maybe at a later time, I can explain in detail.

Aussie racing is far easier than UK racing as a punter. The depth of racing in UK is too high compared to Aussie racing. I've consistently made more profit on Aussie racing so much so that these days, I rarely bet on UK while focusing almost exclusively on Aussie racing. Also, I concentrate so much on Aussie racing that by the time UK racing comes up, I'm down on energy and attention span. Maybe that plays a role in why I don't succeed in UK racing.

I've evolved a lot more when it comes to my Horse racing betting. What I posted there all those years ago, no longer holds true. While I still use those strategies, I've developed my own methods to consistently make $$$$

My stakes range between 20$ to 200$ per bet. I don't follow the % method.

I got the Horse Racing staking method you talked about. It doesn't work for me. It isn't worth it to me.

Coming to Cricket, I only bet on 1 market i.e "Match odds" these days. 80% of my bets are on this market and there's no fixed range when it comes to how many bets I make. I might make 3-4 bets per match or no bet at all.

I have a very good eye for Cricket. It's my favorite sport which I've followed since I was a kid. I've played for my School team too so I've got some practical experience too. IMO, Cricket is the sport where a punter can make the most money on Betfair, even ahead of Football and Tennis.

thanks for the reply. I find this difficult to know when to enter to market

AUAvi · Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:17 pm

ray mansi wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:06 pm
thanks for the reply. I find this difficult to know when to enter to market

I mean it's very difficult for almost everybody not just you particularly if you haven't followed the sport for years. So, no need to be too harsh on yourself.

For starters, there are 3 formats i.e T20, ODI and Test.

The fall of a wicket, a boundary scored etc has varying effect based on the format. Frankly now I think of it, Cricket has way too many variables more than any other sport for newbies to succeed.

ray mansi · Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:12 pm

AUAvi wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:17 pm

ray mansi wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:06 pm
thanks for the reply. I find this difficult to know when to enter to market
I mean it's very difficult for almost everybody not just you particularly if you haven't followed the sport for years. So, no need to be too harsh on yourself.

For starters, there are 3 formats i.e T20, ODI and Test.

The fall of a wicket, a boundary scored etc has varying effect based on the format. Frankly now I think of it, Cricket has way too many variables more than any other sport for newbies to succeed.

sure thing. But can you tell overall in all sports if you see soft bookmaker odds high as sharp will mostly sharp bookmaker raise their odds even more or lowers to know does it profit long term

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