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On the bright side, having 150 in an account unneeded for 2 years means you're probably doing better than me and a lot of others here

Cool, guess we can delete the e-wallet section of the forum then.

Bookies discussion / Are Bettson still trustworthy?
« on: April 15, 2019, 04:35:44 PM »
Haven't seen them around in a while and they appear to have one of those bonusses made to trap.

I guess all that panicking about TIC was a bit pointless considering they are no longer a viable vendor then.

I have noticed more and more that some the bigger euro sportsbooks (888sport,betway,williamhill) are now participating in what I can only describe as fraudulent activity. This activity occurs when deposits are made through one source, lets say, an ewallet, but are then disallowing withdrawals back to the same source.

How and when did this become acceptable activity? Since I can remember I've heard these rules regarding transactions where different sources for moving money were not allowed, and for understandable reasons, yet now it appears this has become a tactic, much like id verification, to slow down transactions and impede the punter. I think there is a huge compromise of legality here. Has anybody had similar experiences?

Neteller / Re: Serious technical issues with Neteller
« on: March 25, 2019, 07:19:00 PM »
tbh, im relieved others are experiencing this.

This comes down to bad Paysafe web infrastructure, bad coding, whatever. The signs have been there on Chrome for over a year now. Maybe they'll have a massive overhaul and charge us a new "transaction/web development" tax to help soften their blow  ;D

Neteller / Serious technical issues with Neteller
« on: March 25, 2019, 04:06:04 PM »
Hi guys, over the last few days I have had serious technical issues with NT. This is beyond the usual crap with Google Chrome.

Whenever I log in now, sometimes I get to the dashboard and sometimes I don't. I always get an error message. When I do get to dashboard and click different tabs I get and error message in those tabs.

The message is a simple:

An unknown error has occurred
Mon Mar 25 16:02:23 GMT 2019

Please contact if you continue to receive this error.

It's constant. I sent money about two hours ago, and although the money is declared sent and "accepted" at Neteller, it has not arrived at its destination. I've contacted Neteller but received no reply. I've contacted the party involved with the transaction and they have said its on Netellers side (they might be fobbing me off).

Not sure what to do here, I'm quite concerned.

Bookies discussion / Re: What is next?
« on: March 08, 2019, 11:53:22 AM »
This is where we need our own social media profile pushing an agenda involving the serious issues here, I'm sure there are already some popular names on Twitter to try and contact. This needs as much oxygen as possible.


Any thoughts on this? Just noticed it in passing, pretty terrifying.

Bookies discussion / Re: William Hill announces 900 stores closure
« on: March 01, 2019, 07:18:24 PM »
No wonder the limits are coralesque now, another soft bites the dust.

Announcements / Re: New arbusers version
« on: February 23, 2019, 08:58:54 PM »
I think a dedicated section to bad bookie practice could be interesting, from outright scams to the major players that limit and bar players from action after just a handful of bets. From here we could maybe identify some of the really bad practices that certain mainstream books employ that we all experience regardless of skill level, and create a groundswell to generate bad publicity,

Although some vert smart people here might not like to share their valuable wisdom for free, we all like to express our disdain at the books that constantly refuse our business, I don't see how a more streamlined approach with this could not be more effective for us collectively. A little bit far fetched and idealistic maybe.

This was the main headline in my national paper today, with people disgusted. There is so much more wrong with the betting industry than this.

See my previous thread about WilliamHill stating that they no longer accept Skrill in the UK, they are indeed up to strange going ons.

General talk about e-wallets / Re: Revolut source of funds
« on: January 17, 2019, 08:27:49 PM »
Wolfie, what is the best alternative for Revolut? I'm seeking a service that provides me Visa/Mastercard and I could deposit/withraw at gambling sites. Also, I would like to avoid a service that subject to CRS.

Doesn't exist as far as I'm aware.

Skrill / Re: Did anyone else receive this from skrill ?
« on: January 16, 2019, 01:21:32 AM »
No company in the lawful world can confiscate without court order.

Seriously? We see these confiscations every couple of weeks on these boards.

No company in the lawful world can confiscate without court order. It just means we dont need you as a customer anymore because we are big now, we have real gamblers. This way they make their relationship with bookmakers better. They want their customers to take bonuses again in sportbooks.
It is a big bet they are making. And the odds are not in their favor.

Who's the they? Books or ewallets?

As for the odds, they are changing but for different reasons. The sports betting industry has saturated. Sure, there will be opportunities in the US, but we're probably getting close to a decade since the end of the good times for the smart, risk averse gambler. Less and less customers are coming to the books from ewallets, and the vast majority that are are clearly smart bettors. This means the books are discriminating between deposit methods for SURE. This has been happening for years clearly (as you can tell from special offer exclusions) and now has been successfully implemented as the norm. The odds are not in their favour because less and less people are benefitting from their service, but most of all, the odds are NOT in our favour.

We can speak about "adapt or die" platitudes and the need for evolution in the practices we use, but at the end of the day, all things come to an end. There can be no evolution if industry is dying. The contraction of the industry is continuing day after day, I feel like two things are necessary from all people like us-focus on growing, "evolving", all the platitude talk we do here that's vague that basically means "work harder to find new ways to make money". The second thing is more important however. The second thing is recognise this thing could end tomorrow, without warning, with losses, and you'll just have to deal with it. We'll have to try not to lose our minds, whilst also asking ourselves how we can move on into other fields of interest and walks of life without being destroyed by the loss of potential that end of this industry may bring.

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