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Exchanges / Re: orbit exchange
« on: March 07, 2019, 01:50:51 PM »
Generic question;
do these clones (in this case orbit) also provide API access, to be used in e.g. geeks tool or to be used in own software?


PremiumTradings / Re: Great odds and matches today on PremiumTradings!
« on: January 30, 2019, 01:12:56 PM »
Alfa1234, a few years ago PremiumTradings and 18Bet was the same company (owned by Bellona N.V). So no wonder the close relationship.,1154.msg15628.html#msg15628

Bookies discussion / Re: Pinnacle no longer accepts action from bots
« on: January 24, 2019, 11:32:50 PM »
Please understand that this is a move for Pinnacle as a business, as we look to venture into offering our API system now known as Pinnacle Solution.

Should you be interested in gaining access to our API for commercial purposes, please contact

This seems to be bullshit in my eyes. Pinnacle Solution is an iframe bookmaking solution for customers who want to run their own bookmaker, powered by Pinnacle odds, with a custom skin, limits, margin, etc. As I understand from
So this is not for BOT users, but for custom branded Pinnacle bookmaker solution.
I'm very interested in what they would say if your friend write to
Anyway why they provide public API (just check their GitHub page) and why they promote it on their site?
The "Winners Welcome" policy and "arbers welcome" policy also contradicts to their new t&c.

Bookies discussion / Re: Pinnacle no longer accepts action from bots
« on: January 23, 2019, 06:20:31 PM »
It is not only a value betting party, but an arbing party as well. Sharp books are reducing their limits not because of arbing between sharps and softs, but because of arbing between sharps.

I thought Pinny did okay with Arbers because Arbers lost more than they won at Pinny, as the arb at the Soft book was usually the winning one?

As Arbusers said, if bots placing arbs between the sharps, then this hurts them.

Bookies discussion / Re: Pinnacle no longer accepts action from bots
« on: January 23, 2019, 05:47:05 PM »
Bitcoin Betting on the Blockchain.

Problem with Bitcoin is the big fluctuation in price. For this reason, I couldn't use BitCoin for betting.
How do you handle this issue?
I know that the price could go in your favor, but sometimes the price crash and you could lose a very big amount.

Check PremiumTrading's (Premium Agent) and other agent's features. They provide you agent account (not super master agent), and you could provide accounts to your clients.

Bookies discussion / Re: Pinnacle no longer accepts action from bots
« on: January 19, 2019, 06:20:53 PM »
Side comment: There are ways to camouflage bot action and make them look like pure human manual betting. Some bots are already adopted.

Arbusers, this part of the term annoys me: "if it is determined by us that you have employed or made use of a system"
So if someone employs a winning betting system (with manual betting and/or BOT action) could be judged by "defeating" Pinnacle's software. So in my interpretation every winning account could be flagged as "defeating". Emulating human betting and excluding BOT action is not helping here if I understand the above sentence correctly. What do you think?

Bookies discussion / Re: Polish bookie shops
« on: January 19, 2019, 01:24:29 PM »
Their prices are crap even without 12% tax. Tax is taken from your stake. There is no value there. It is hard to find worst crap than polish bookies.

Maybe Hungarian TippMixPro  :)

Bookies discussion / Re: Pinnacle no longer accepts action from bots
« on: January 19, 2019, 01:23:15 PM »
Another important question how the agents handle this situation?
Agents provide Pinbet accounts with lower limits than normal account, but it is possible to use API via these accounts.
Also, some agent implemented own API to place bets, like AsianConnect's AsianOdds API. (But I'm almost sure they use the official Pinnacle API internally to place Pinnacle bets.)

Bookies discussion / Re: Pinnacle no longer accepts action from bots
« on: January 19, 2019, 12:49:43 PM »
Is this a new paragraph?
It could mean everything or nothing, but as long as they don't close the API it seems more like a catch-all phrase against "abuse" of their service (whatever that means), and not against value betting.

"defeat or capable of defeating our applications and/or software".

"defeat" could mean anything, arbing, value betting or "simply" beating the closing line. If they want, they say you defeated their software, and now we confiscate your funds.
This terms and conditions are not acceptable.

Bookies discussion / Re: Pinnacle no longer accepts action from bots
« on: January 19, 2019, 11:51:12 AM »
Taken from Pinnacle's Terms and Conditions:

''We may suspend and/or cancel the participation of your Account in the Services, and/or forfeit and/or confiscate funds available on your Account if you are found cheating, or if it is determined by us that you have employed or made use of a system (including machines, robots, computers, software or any other automated system) designed to defeat or capable of defeating our applications and/or software''

Thanks for this information.
For me, this is a big disaster.
"confiscate funds" What the hell??
The key here what they mean in "defeat or capable of defeating our applications and/or software".

General talk about e-wallets / Re: Revolut source of funds
« on: January 17, 2019, 07:58:43 PM »
Revolut is one of the best startup companies right now, making banking easier and its not run by russian mafia.
But for us, smart gamblers its not a good option, at least if you do not want to pass half of your day not arbing but talking with their support.
Not to mention that they are subject to CRS.

Wolfie, what is the best alternative for Revolut? I'm seeking a service that provides me Visa/Mastercard and I could deposit/withraw at gambling sites. Also, I would like to avoid a service that subject to CRS.

Skrill / Re: Did anyone else receive this from skrill ?
« on: January 16, 2019, 10:24:09 AM »

As a side comment in regards to e-wallets, we all have to understand that smart gamblers, not even gamblers in general, are not their primary source of profit.

What is their primary source of profit? Maybe forex traders? They deposit big money I suppose.

Exchanges / Re: API Tool for exchanges
« on: January 14, 2019, 11:15:00 AM »
Do you mean you make an interface for OrbitExchange and other clones?

I advise you to check BetAngel functionality. Grid, Ladder interface, tick offset, stop loss, cashout - greening options, automation, etc.
This will be a big development, especially if you make this for many clones.

    1) Did you find usefull for players that project??

    2) Thats sessions are the most popular on Betangel??

1) What do you mean in "project"?
2) What do you mean in "sessions"?

Sorry, I don't understand your questions.

Neteller / Re: Neteller / Skrill card deposit / withdraw at bookmakers
« on: January 14, 2019, 09:43:45 AM »

Thanks, I have checked and looks very good. The only problem they are a real financial institution, so CSR, strict KYC like the "source of funds" would be a problem if someone would like to use it with friends.

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