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Re: Courtsiding and sports betting

Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:48 pm

Lookin for courtsider in all Countries (tennis, volleyball, badbinton, futsal, waterpolo) (by discord)
look for satelites feeds asia/africa/north south america (retrenslation by discord)

i can to comment Eastern europe translation feeds or retranslate by discord.

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Re: Courtsiding and sports betting

Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:51 am

Courtsiding has been a great source of income. I am really sorry we didn't know about that back in the days. I am sure some people made millions if not billions during 2003-10
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Re: How bookies protect themselves against in stadium mobile bet players?

Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:47 pm

ArberPro wrote: What is courtsiding

Courtsiding is the practice of placing a bet directly from a sporting event or by transmitting information via other means to a partner that places the bets quickly on a betting platform. By doing this, you can take advantage of the delay/latency of the data transmission or a slow-moving umpire. With this technique you can easily beat sportsbooks or the markets on exchanges by placing bets before the in-play odds update or by entering trades before the market reacts.
Courtsiding is mostly done in tennis but it can be done in a very high number of sports, the basic rule is that a sport should have a high number of points per game (like basketball, volleyball)

Courtsiding back in the day

When I first started doing courtsiding, it was fairly easy, you could just go to a tennis tournament with your laptop and place the bets, no one would ask you anything. Many people were traveling around the world to tennis tournaments and bookmakers were bleeding because they did not understand what is happening.
In 2012-2013 things started to deteriorate, tennis tournament officials caught on they started implementing bans on laptops in the venue and started to monitor spectators. Courtsiding became harder but also technology improved so people who did this full-time would still be able to do this using different techniques like phones or Bluetooth devices. But while everyone was looking at tennis tournaments for courtsiders, they were not paying attention to other sports. There was a year when we started to go to hockey matches where there were no rules on courtsiding. We could stay with the laptop in our lap and place bets on markets like next goal and it was a great success.

Contemporary Courtsiding

It is far harder to do courtsiding today, firstly now if you get caught at a tennis tournament and get banned, your picture will be provided to all other tournaments and at higher level competitions they use facial recognition to spot courtsiders. In 2015, at Wimbledon, it was the first time I saw this happening, a friend of mine just entered the venue and in 15 - 30 minutes security came and kicked him out. He didn’t even attend any tennis match, but he was already in their database.
Courtsiders face tougher times but is this still doable? Now the laptop is replaced with a smartphone with custom apps that let the spectator just click when a point is scored and the data is transmitted to someone who places the bets, I even saw shoes made for courtsiding, one tap to transmit. Everyone is paying attention to tennis, but other sports are the hidden gems for courtsiders.

Is it legal?

While you may be breaking the tournaments rules in most countries you will just get banned from the venue and in the case of tennis your picture to be saved in a database.
In some countries it is illegal to do courtsiding. The first case was at Australia Open in 2013, where a British man was arrested but later released, another case was in Saudi Arabia but in the majority of countries it dosen’t break any law.

If you want to start courtsiding you should research the legislation for the specific countries where you want to do your work. Be prepared to invest as it isn’t cheap to travel around the world and buy tickets to sports events, sometimes you may finish in red after some tournaments. Being tech-savvy is a big plus as tournament organizers employ a variety of techniques to spot you (facial recognition, Bluetooth scanning) and do not go with the flock, search for new opportunities. Maybe that hockey event that is happening right next door could be much better than a Grand Slam.
A big thank you for this excellent and informative post.
I am wondering to what extend Courtsiding would be successful in football. Any opinion?
I believe it is doable, but not that productive like Tennis. But I understand a mechanism could be built to courtside in several venues at the same time.
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Courtsiding and sports betting

Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:55 pm

I know that the image/radio you get has few seconds of delay.
What if someone inside the venue bets with his cellphone that team A will score an additional goal the moment the team scores it. :P

Do bookies have a system to protect themselves against such behaviour?
Is it illegal in the first place (though good luck catching you!)?
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Re: How bookies protect themselves against in stadium mobile bet players?

Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:49 am

There are people at the stadium being paid to be faster than you. They are called scouts, they are the ones telling the data companies, and in turn the bookies, who is attacking what happened, when a goal is scored etc.
But, in tennis for example I thing it is illegal as if you are one ball forward in betfair all the time you get rich. There are some stories online for you to google regarding that.

About the scouts, it gets more interesting. Sometimes there is only ONE (!!!) scout at the match reporting what happens. In eastern europe he might be paid  like 30 euros for the job. Easy for organised crime to bribe them, not that its smart to refuse them anyway, or so the movies say...
It can be just to delay reporting a goal or to make up a match from their head.
Google ''ghost matches'' and read some reports, at least 4 confirmed matches that were offered in-play and never took place!
Players were resting at the hotel and the match was in-play on bet365, official club pages hacked to add the match and the result after it 'finished'.
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Re: How bookies protect themselves against in stadium mobile bet players?

Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:33 am

I used to do courtsiding (just few games). But every time I tried to take advantage of delay I was late 1-3 seconds. Im pretty sure that you would beat bookie from time to time but it's all about travel expenses and motivation. If you got few stadiums next to you, tickets aren't expensive and you don't give up even if you will have to wait quite few games to beat the bookie, you've got a chance to earn some.

Do they care? Depends. I used to do this in my country and nobody gave a shit. Friend of mine were courtsiding in UK and in lower divisions no problems at all. But when he tried to do this on a Premier League game, they found out and warned him next time he's found he will be in serious trouble. So he gave up cause there were people watching if anyone do this.

Is it illegal? Hmm... I read a lot about people trying to courtside Australian Open and being charged. They don't like this for sure and they will find a way to get rid of you doing this. Friend of mine were accused of illegally sending information to other parties, guy courtsiding Australian Open was accused of "corrupt a betting outcome and receiving financial advantage" so I would be very cautious trying to courtsiding.
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Re: How bookies protect themselves against in stadium mobile bet players?

Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:20 pm

You can have both bets ready to hit OK with sums and everything. So a tenth maybe reaction time for someone with experience, surely no worse than their scout. Though web/3g will add some delay but still not much worse than 1/10th of a second I guess.

I find it difficult how they can charge you over this. "corrupt a betting outcome" sounds hilarious to me. They could simply put a rule that if you bet for the next goal within 30sec or 10sec of it actually occurring, no bet.
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Re: How bookies protect themselves against in stadium mobile bet players?

Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:37 am

There are ways to increase your chances getting on before game is suspended. If you watch a game and you see that there will be empty net or one team left just goalie behind (counter-attack), you can bet on team which suppose to score or on overs. If they score - you can green. If they dont - just take small loss.

Or just take a scout job and before you suspend a game make sure you placed your bets first :D
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Re: How bookies protect themselves against in stadium mobile bet players?

Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:22 pm

Nicholas, come on, you are forgetting bet pending time / danger zone...
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Re: How bookies protect themselves against in stadium mobile bet players?

Wed Jan 11, 2023 10:36 pm

Thordin wrote: Nicholas, come on, you are forgetting bet pending time / danger zone...
I am not forgetting, I just don't know! I am new to betting.
It seems to me my bets with bet365 have no pending time, though I have only bet once to a live event.
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Re: How bookies protect themselves against in stadium mobile bet players?

Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:22 pm

Aside from danger zone issues, soccer/football isn't best suited to this because you have very few moments where sudden events drastically change the prices - that being where you make all the money.

This is why courtsiding is so popular in tennis, you have frequent large swings.
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Re: How bookies protect themselves against in stadium mobile bet players?

Fri Jan 13, 2023 7:31 am

I have read an article recently that 10 chair umpires was caught on delaying scores. Bookmaker boards where changing when they were changing scores cos they are connected. They were doing it on low rank tournaments like ITF or even ITF2. It would be very hard to be faster than chair umpire.
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Re: How bookies protect themselves against in stadium mobile bet players?

Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:44 am

Some scouts and some courtsiders are among us.
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Re: How bookies protect themselves against in stadium mobile bet players?

Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:41 pm

Courtsiding is efficent in sports wich have many points ,it isn't good for football because bookies have the exact time of a goal so they void the bet .Nowadays i don't know how much profit is there because of instant limitations ( i think the majority of bookies implemented software to combat this)plus legal implications in some country's (2 cases have been reported one in australia and one in singapore, i know the guy from australia wasn't found guilty).
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Re: How bookies protect themselves against in stadium mobile bet players?

Sat Jan 14, 2023 5:57 am

From personal experience, anyone can tell the soft books which have the shortest pending/danger time in ITF tournaments?

In ITF tournament there are hired guys ( and girls too ) who monitor and watch suspicious people who are on their electronic devices more than they should, and they can throw you out of the tournament if they are sure you are doing sidecourting/betting with advantage. They are allowed to do this.
Most of the time you can spot the dude quite easily, and you can even befriend him. He won't be paying attention during all games, and with the right strategy you can surely trick bookmakers in small ITF tournaments.
However, the easiest way is to bribe the referees who are reporting to Enetpulse/other company. They( as well as players) are trained into not accepting bribes and reporting any such offers right away, or they risk losing their job/banned for life.
There is usually warnings printed on courtsides/inside resort about match fixing, bribes. In most of these tournaments there were <10 people watching the game really, they are amateur stuff. Even for semi finals, finals not many people will show up. Usually you have the coaches, 1-2 tournament officials, the referee and the casual resort tourist wanting to enjoy a tennis game. Maybe the partners/parents of players but this happens rarely.

If anyone wants to discuss more on said topic, hit me up with a PM.

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