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Re: Is punteam.com legit?
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2020, 06:29:23 PM »
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The markets you're talking about have low liquidity so they can't hammer the odd with 20k+ thus they won't bother buying the tip I presume..
If they offer - 0.1 per flip that means you can beat only with fixes. So why bother sharing your "tip"?

Why so? You will just an smaller edge compared to your own sample but that is it.Maybe if we talk in pre match with small margins/edge then yes no point but if ok margins/edge then should be able to beat it...

The liquidity you/me/most retail bettors get is not comparable to the liquidity the big syndicates get.
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Re: Is punteam.com legit?
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2020, 10:32:18 PM »
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Yes I know, you are definitely right. The lesson being - let's unite forces
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Re: Is punteam.com legit?
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2020, 09:47:20 AM »
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The markets you're talking about have low liquidity so they can't hammer the odd with 20k+ thus they won't bother buying the tip I presume..
If they offer - 0.1 per flip that means you can beat only with fixes. So why bother sharing your "tip"?

Why so? You will just an smaller edge compared to your own sample but that is it.Maybe if we talk in pre match with small margins/edge then yes no point but if ok margins/edge then should be able to beat it...

The liquidity you/me/most retail bettors get is not comparable to the liquidity the big syndicates get.

Just a clarification on that:
The price members see on our feed is indeed 0.1 lower but just for trading purposes (members can adjust their minimum odds to whatever they think is the 'real' value)

We always give members the odds we were able to take and it's usually top odds in Asia.
Obv taking 5% ROI off every bet won't left us with too many members.
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Re: Is punteam.com legit?
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2020, 11:01:31 AM »
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This is a very interesting thread as it helps to have an insight within a syndicate like punteam. But after reading all of it I have some doubts if they are able to operate in profit in the long run. In my opinion, they must be struggling to stay profitable. The tipping style of betting does not work, and even if it works it wouldn't allow serious money to be made.
If you take a look at the other syndicates you will see there are 2 types of them.
1. Those who are based on Algorithms (lizard?) and analysis to place their bets. I can understand them because there is a solid background and a model that works over the years.
2. Those who use bots and artificial intelligence to select their bets. Probably this is the most distinguished way and the one that I would choose out of the two.
Punteam is not choosing any of these ways and instead, they choose the hard way and in the end, they will be out of business.
Sorry if I am negative.
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Re: Is punteam.com legit?
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2021, 01:31:43 PM »
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This is a very interesting thread as it helps to have an insight within a syndicate like punteam. But after reading all of it I have some doubts if they are able to operate in profit in the long run. In my opinion, they must be struggling to stay profitable. The tipping style of betting does not work, and even if it works it wouldn't allow serious money to be made.
If you take a look at the other syndicates you will see there are 2 types of them.
1. Those who are based on Algorithms (lizard?) and analysis to place their bets. I can understand them because there is a solid background and a model that works over the years.
2. Those who use bots and artificial intelligence to select their bets. Probably this is the most distinguished way and the one that I would choose out of the two.
Punteam is not choosing any of these ways and instead, they choose the hard way and in the end, they will be out of business.
Sorry if I am negative.

The real answer about the money made/turned over etc can be given by the Punteam itself. Therefore there is no point of speculation here. What we do know is that they have been in business for over 10 years. So they either have a lot of cash to burn or they are indeed in profit. I do think that second option is the truth here.

So if you are saying that the only way to beat the markets is by utilizing algorithms and betting models then im afraid you are wrong here. It is possible to beat the markets by utilizing experts in certain Leagues/Countries. What Punteam has done correctly here is basically finding specialists and then evaluating them. This approach is similar to the prop houses in trading industry. Yes most of the daytrading/trading is now made by black models and algorithms etc but those prop houses who employ specialists still exist. Simply because you can have the best data available but there is no such AI which can work the same way as human brain does. There are still human traders/scalpers who take advantage from algo trading and if algos have many millions invested into their development and a skilled person can still beat them, then why this approach shouldnt work in professional betting? Punteam imo simply utilizes the prop trading model which is still used by prop houses. Just focuses on different market which is easier to beat compared to the futures/equities market.
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Re: Is punteam.com legit?
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2021, 06:11:19 PM »
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I understand what Campeones says, but I have to disagree here.

First of all, if they operate with losses, they would simply shut down all business. But at the same time, this is not a guarantee that they operate with decent winnings. Sometimes it pays more to stay in the game even if you are not winning much, hoping for a brighter future. As I always say, you never let a nice source of income go wasted.

The older members might remember the lavish tipping competitions we held some years ago, followed by an effort to use these tipsters to beat Pinnacle and SBObet. That thing went bust. I recall that our best tipster had a negative 3% ROI and we couldn't operate in losses for long. But at the same time, I know that agents like AsianConnect were using their own tipsters to make money. I don't know if they continue like this, but I am sure they were using tipsters back in the day.

To sum up. I myself would not go the way of tipsters, and I would select bots and algorithms to stay in the game. But we can't reject any tactic simply because we weren't able to use it. Probably someone else (Punteam) knows how to use it.
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Re: Is punteam.com legit?
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2021, 09:42:15 AM »
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The real answer about the money made/turned over etc can be given by the Punteam itself.

That is correct. But we do not speculate, we simply try to make relevant conclusions by combining common sense and the market as it is today. Indeed only Punteam can answer this question, but we can't force them to answer.
Anyways, good luck to all. We all have our very different ways and it is not right to say who's doing better than others.
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Re: Is punteam.com legit?
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2021, 09:56:07 AM »
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There are several (wonder how many) betting syndicates operating and each one of them has it's own operating procedures. Campeones' syndicate, I guess, is not an exception.
I had pleasant Skype contacts with Punteam's managers and I believe these people know exactly what they are doing.
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Re: Is punteam.com legit?
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2021, 12:59:15 PM »
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1. Those who are based on Algorithms (lizard?) and analysis to place their bets. I can understand them because there is a solid background and a model that works over the years.

How do you know that lizard is based on algos? There is a lot of secrecy, but is there someone who knows how star lizard is working?
Thank you.
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Re: Is punteam.com legit?
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2021, 10:26:33 PM »
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1. Those who are based on Algorithms (lizard?) and analysis to place their bets. I can understand them because there is a solid background and a model that works over the years.

How do you know that lizard is based on algos? There is a lot of secrecy, but is there someone who knows how star lizard is working?
Thank you.

Because they are a betting consultancy that uses complex statistical models to generate football odds that are sharper than those offered by professional bookmakers. These are then sold to clients to help them beat the market. In order to compile such models it must be algos or otherwise they need to hire thousand traders who only cover certain markets.
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Re: Is punteam.com legit?
« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2021, 03:04:32 PM »
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Because they are a betting consultancy that uses complex statistical models to generate football odds that are sharper than those offered by professional bookmakers. These are then sold to clients to help them beat the market. In order to compile such models it must be algos or otherwise they need to hire thousand traders who only cover certain markets.

I am not sure of you are referring to punteam or star lizard, but none of them should be considered betting consultancy. As far as I know they do not sell odds to any clients. And of course it is algos for lizard, but not for punteam. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Re: Is punteam.com legit?
« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2021, 08:14:59 PM »
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Because they are a betting consultancy that uses complex statistical models to generate football odds that are sharper than those offered by professional bookmakers. These are then sold to clients to help them beat the market. In order to compile such models it must be algos or otherwise they need to hire thousand traders who only cover certain markets.

I am not sure of you are referring to punteam or star lizard, but none of them should be considered betting consultancy. As far as I know they do not sell odds to any clients. And of course it is algos for lizard, but not for punteam. Please correct me if I am wrong.

On their website they do claim to be betting consultancy company, however, most likely they chose that definition for legal purposes.
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Re: Is punteam.com legit?
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2021, 09:33:54 AM »
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I am not sure of you are referring to punteam or star lizard, but none of them should be considered betting consultancy. As far as I know they do not sell odds to any clients. And of course it is algos for lizard, but not for punteam. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Totally true. First when Tony did not have much money he started it as a betting hedge fund. This was put in place to have a higher liquidity so they could make big deals in Asia specifically. After they made a lot of money for themselves and for the fund clients, they started betting only their own money. Star lizard its a very dynamic company. What they do today they may not do in 5 years.
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Re: Is punteam.com legit?
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2021, 04:21:13 PM »
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Totally true. First when Tony did not have much money he started it as a betting hedge fund. This was put in place to have a higher liquidity so they could make big deals in Asia specifically. After they made a lot of money for themselves and for the fund clients, they started betting only their own money. Star lizard its a very dynamic company. What they do today they may not do in 5 years.

How do you know those things? Are you an insider or something? I believe there is a lot of BS on the Internet about starlizard. They gave starlizard and Tony Bloom mythical dimensions.
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Re: Is punteam.com legit?
« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2021, 11:01:44 AM »
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How do you know those things? Are you an insider or something? I believe there is a lot of BS on the Internet about starlizard. They gave starlizard and Tony Bloom mythical dimensions.

A Friend of Mine worked there some years ago. This is another thing they do. They change employees very often. Only a few key people are permanent. And they are big enough to isolate people. Guys in one department dont know what other departments are doing. So even by working there you cant know for sure what takes place in total.
The only mythical thing is they portrait him as a smart gambler, while he was that only for a small amount of time. He is just a businessman. Its not like he is the guy who is finding value odds. Usually people see only the final success but they dont see the work and many people that are included. For this reason they see one person as if he is mythical while its just a successful business person.
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