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Re: From Russia with love

Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:46 pm

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Blackoutt777 wrote: Very interesting. Is it your own bot or is it possible to find it?
Had a quick look at BetBurger and it seems the only one I would use at the moment.
Yes, it is my own bot. Currently it is under active development and runs only locally from my computer. Perhaps one day if I make it more stable and user friendly I would consider monetizing it if there is interest from value bettors.
i have done the exact same setup but im strugling with proper formulas, i have created some safeguards for staking etc but would like to know more, if possible can we have a chat about it?
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Re: From Russia with love

Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:00 pm

hey @galt88, I am from Latvia
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Re: From Russia with love

Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:07 pm

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Blackoutt777 wrote: Very interesting. Is it your own bot or is it possible to find it?
Had a quick look at BetBurger and it seems the only one I would use at the moment.
Yes, it is my own bot. Currently it is under active development and runs only locally from my computer. Perhaps one day if I make it more stable and user friendly I would consider monetizing it if there is interest from value bettors.
That would be great to people like me who don't know how to build a bot.
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Re: From Russia with love

Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:09 pm

esi wrote: i have done the exact same setup but im strugling with proper formulas, i have created some safeguards for staking etc but would like to know more, if possible can we have a chat about it?
Perhaps it would be best if you could ask specific questions here so that others may also benefit from this conversation. Also bear in mind that I do not claim to be great programmer, I still have to learn a lot in bots development sphere myself, however, I will do my best to give you some tips if possible.
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Re: From Russia with love

Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:01 pm

But isn't there involved risk when you use "some guy's bot"? What if the bot sends login data from your betting accounts to the guy?
I think you should really understanding coding to run bots.
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Re: From Russia with love

Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:46 am

mr_lucky wrote:
esi wrote: i have done the exact same setup but im strugling with proper formulas, i have created some safeguards for staking etc but would like to know more, if possible can we have a chat about it?
Perhaps it would be best if you could ask specific questions here so that others may also benefit from this conversation. Also bear in mind that I do not claim to be great programmer, I still have to learn a lot in bots development sphere myself, however, I will do my best to give you some tips if possible.
Thank you, so my questions are as below:
1. What staking method do you use, if kelly do you go full kelly, half or?
2. Do you use same formula for different sports?
3. What sports/martets do you avoid
4. Do you place every value bet you get from the feeds? What filters do you use

I have the following setup so far:
Set a max stake eg 20 euros
place bets with koef from 1.4 to 3.5 and an value bigger than 1%
calculate positive roi, if positive place bet

My formula is kind of a mess as im not much of a value bettor but im trying to learn more day by day
Any tip is appreciated
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Re: From Russia with love

Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:47 am

Trevorr wrote: But isn't there involved risk when you use "some guy's bot"? What if the bot sends login data from your betting accounts to the guy?
I think you should really understanding coding to run bots.
There is "no risk" since you hold the money, you have the neteller/skrill security code so the bot owner cant do much expect place some bets lol
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Re: From Russia with love

Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:05 am

esi wrote:
Trevorr wrote: But isn't there involved risk when you use "some guy's bot"? What if the bot sends login data from your betting accounts to the guy?
I think you should really understanding coding to run bots.
There is "no risk" since you hold the money, you have the neteller/skrill security code so the bot owner cant do much expect place some bets lol
Are you sure? You have some unknown software on your computer, it could do something like keylogger and find out your all your passwords inc. Skrill, email...
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Re: From Russia with love

Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:55 am

Have you seen the 007 film from Russia with love?
Be careful when you install anything Russian on your computer.
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Re: From Russia with love

Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:26 am

esi wrote: Thank you, so my questions are as below:
1. What staking method do you use, if kelly do you go full kelly, half or?
2. Do you use same formula for different sports?
3. What sports/martets do you avoid
4. Do you place every value bet you get from the feeds? What filters do you use

I have the following setup so far:
Set a max stake eg 20 euros
place bets with koef from 1.4 to 3.5 and an value bigger than 1%
calculate positive roi, if positive place bet

My formula is kind of a mess as im not much of a value bettor but im trying to learn more day by day
Any tip is appreciated
1. I use "to win" staking method, i.e. adjust my stake based on odds value. E.g. if my avg stake is 10 eur then for odds 2.0 I would place 10 eur bet, for 1.5 odds I would place 20 eur stake, etc. However, I also set max stake.
2. Same staking method for all sports.
3. I use Soccer, Basketball, Ice Hockey, American Football, Tennis and Baseball and I use all markets which Pinnacle supports. I do try to avoid corners markets because I was experiencing some losses there but it could be just bad luck since I did not bet on that market that often.
4. Yeah, bot is programmed to take every bet which confirms my filters. I do make sure, though, that it does not place more bets on the same event if that particular account already placed bet there. As for filters, pretty much the same odds range as yours, events start date until 24 hours, and min value percent 3% (not arb percent).

Again there are many ways to do it, some people use Pinnacle for reference, others combination of sharps, some use average of all bookies. You just have to choose one strategy, stick with it and see how well it works for you. Good luck!
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Re: From Russia with love

Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:22 pm

esi wrote:
Trevorr wrote: But isn't there involved risk when you use "some guy's bot"? What if the bot sends login data from your betting accounts to the guy?
I think you should really understanding coding to run bots.
There is "no risk" since you hold the money, you have the neteller/skrill security code so the bot owner cant do much expect place some bets lol
You are naive to think there is no risk to install software from an unknown source.
If someone has access to your
  - bookmaker account then they could transfer your funds to the casino and dump the chips
  - exchange account then they could pass funds to another account by accepting a ridiculous offer
  - change your personal data and password (ie lock you out and hold it to ransom)
IF someone has access to your machine they could
  - encrypt your disk
  - use it as part of a bot net
  - spy on your banking activity

If you reuse those credentials (its a bad habit i have but i don't want to remember lots of different
credentials) on other sites then the software supplier has potential access to those sites
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Re: From Russia with love

Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:52 pm

risilloch wrote:
esi wrote:
Trevorr wrote: But isn't there involved risk when you use "some guy's bot"? What if the bot sends login data from your betting accounts to the guy?
I think you should really understanding coding to run bots.
There is "no risk" since you hold the money, you have the neteller/skrill security code so the bot owner cant do much expect place some bets lol
You are naive to think there is no risk to install software from an unknown source.
If someone has access to your
  - bookmaker account then they could transfer your funds to the casino and dump the chips
  - exchange account then they could pass funds to another account by accepting a ridiculous offer
  - change your personal data and password (ie lock you out and hold it to ransom)
IF someone has access to your machine they could
  - encrypt your disk
  - use it as part of a bot net
  - spy on your banking activity

If you reuse those credentials (its a bad habit i have but i don't want to remember lots of different
credentials) on other sites then the software supplier has potential access to those sites
as far as i remember you need the 6 digit code to do a transfer to another account
also im well aware of the risks of installing unknown apps and in most causes a virtual os should be used vmware/virtualbox or vps
if you know a bit of "debugging" you can see if the app is stealing any credential or not and most only get bet acc stats like placed bets, deposit and withdrawals
i worked with different bot owner who are legit but some are shit, i suggest to avoid anyone that seems shady and asks for too much
after all it is a thing of mutual trust, if they decide to screw me i for sure can screw them too..
i never install any bot program in my main os as long as i see what the app is trying to do
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Re: From Russia with love

Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:54 pm

mr_lucky wrote:
esi wrote: Thank you, so my questions are as below:
1. What staking method do you use, if kelly do you go full kelly, half or?
2. Do you use same formula for different sports?
3. What sports/martets do you avoid
4. Do you place every value bet you get from the feeds? What filters do you use

I have the following setup so far:
Set a max stake eg 20 euros
place bets with koef from 1.4 to 3.5 and an value bigger than 1%
calculate positive roi, if positive place bet

My formula is kind of a mess as im not much of a value bettor but im trying to learn more day by day
Any tip is appreciated
1. I use "to win" staking method, i.e. adjust my stake based on odds value. E.g. if my avg stake is 10 eur then for odds 2.0 I would place 10 eur bet, for 1.5 odds I would place 20 eur stake, etc. However, I also set max stake.
2. Same staking method for all sports.
3. I use Soccer, Basketball, Ice Hockey, American Football, Tennis and Baseball and I use all markets which Pinnacle supports. I do try to avoid corners markets because I was experiencing some losses there but it could be just bad luck since I did not bet on that market that often.
4. Yeah, bot is programmed to take every bet which confirms my filters. I do make sure, though, that it does not place more bets on the same event if that particular account already placed bet there. As for filters, pretty much the same odds range as yours, events start date until 24 hours, and min value percent 3% (not arb percent).

Again there are many ways to do it, some people use Pinnacle for reference, others combination of sharps, some use average of all bookies. You just have to choose one strategy, stick with it and see how well it works for you. Good luck!
this is some legit info and im thankful as not many are willing to tell such thing
i have one last question, is the betburger value bets page mature enough to rely on it or should i do my own calculations on the arb page
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Re: From Russia with love

Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:26 pm

Hard to say for me, I am used to work with combination of sharps, mostly Pinnacle and do value calculation myself. Perhaps others can share their experience with using BetBurger value betting service. If we are to trust BetBurger service then according to their investigation it works well in the long term  :)

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