New account fraud has more than doubled since 2014, Jumio reports

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There are several myths in regards to the size of fraud in online gambling and gaming. Jumio's annual report gives a good description, even though the definition of fraud should be different.
Read more: https://arbusers.com/portal/new-account-fraud-has-more-than-doubled/
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Re: New account fraud has more than doubled since 2014, Jumio reports
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2020, 09:25:01 AM »

This article explains why PaySafe in gentle with UK customers, and rough with the rest of the world.
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Re: New account fraud has more than doubled since 2014, Jumio reports
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2020, 01:00:36 PM »

How exactly it comes that paysafe is gentle with UK customers?
I would say the opposite, because Paysafe is also closing british neteller accounts ( even completely genius ones) and at the same time is sending their account files with all their (private) details, to the British POLICE , so I cant call this gentle at all ....
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Re: New account fraud has more than doubled since 2014, Jumio reports
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2020, 01:20:59 PM »

even completely genius ones

I m sorry, it cant be genius unless you mean genuine. I have no doubt that they do close accounts and they do send accounts to the Police. But really, how many UK accounts are closed and how many Albanian or Romanian?
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Re: New account fraud has more than doubled since 2014, Jumio reports
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2020, 02:03:04 PM »

sorry for my mistake , I mean genuine , original accounts yeah . And believe me that it has happened , I am not just throwing accusations I am only saying the facts.
I cant know how many Albanian and Roumanian , and how many UK  , because I have to ask you at the same time how many of those Roumanians and Albanians have been sent their files to the police, because as I mentioned earlier , there are several british cases that this has surely happened
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Re: New account fraud has more than doubled since 2014, Jumio reports
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2020, 03:46:05 PM »

I would say the opposite, because Paysafe is also closing british neteller accounts ( even completely genius ones) and at the same time is sending their account files with all their (private) details, to the British POLICE , so I cant call this gentle at all ....

Would you like to share this story with us? You are saying that PaySafe sent a genuine's UK account files and private details to the British Police. Very interesting. Thank you.
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Re: New account fraud has more than doubled since 2014, Jumio reports
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2020, 07:06:00 PM »

What I said is , that there are cases, that Paysafe decided to permanently close UK NETELLER accounts,( even genuine's ) and then they sent ALL their data file to British Police . Data file means all transaction history of the account together with the receivers/senders emails, full name ,  home addresses that the person had used, and whatever else paysafe could have from an account
Hope I made it more clear now
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Re: New account fraud has more than doubled since 2014, Jumio reports
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2020, 09:33:01 PM »

What I said is , that there are cases, that Paysafe decided to permanently close UK NETELLER accounts,( even genuine's ) and then they sent ALL their data file to British Police . Data file means all transaction history of the account together with the receivers/senders emails, full name ,  home addresses that the person had used, and whatever else paysafe could have from an account
Hope I made it more clear now

I have no doubt there are cases like the one you just described but the question is, was there solid ground to send a genuine account together with all data and files to the police?
I find it very difficult to believe that a genuine and clean account would be treated like this.
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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2020, 12:20:30 PM »

For at least one case I know very well, no there was no solid ground for it thats why nothing further happened but even the shock you get to know that your private data file is in the hands of the police, I believe is more than enough .
 And If you find it so difficult to believe it, I bet during 2018 you were also finding very difficult to believe that NETELLER would do all these things and react this way that did during 2019, but guess what they actually did them all :-)
 ( I dont speak about the fees but about their total behavior )
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Re: New account fraud has more than doubled since 2014, Jumio reports
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2020, 07:02:54 PM »

For at least one case I know very well, no there was no solid ground for it

If there was no solid ground as you say, why the heck did they send the account to the Police?

And If you find it so difficult to believe it, I bet during 2018 you were also finding very difficult to believe that NETELLER would do all these things and react this way that did during 2019, but guess what they actually did them all :-)
 ( I dont speak about the fees but about their total behavior )

You speak with riddles here. I m afraid I don't follow, could you clarify what you say? Thanks.
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