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Re: Gambling industry devastated by liquidity problems

Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:56 am

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Camma23 wrote: Smart betting can be associated only to pro betting and Asia. I’m sorry
Even Asia is not that good anymore. Just look at what SBO and IBC have been doing the last 6 months. They can really not be considered sharp anymore in my opinion. Limits at Pinnacle and other places known as "sharps" have also been dropping for some time now. If it keeps going this way, the only way to make any real money will be by using multiple accounts for as long as you can.
ok we agree on that, but at least we can talk about winners welcome policy. Tell me how a b365 can last for thousand of euros and I quit gambling  ;D you can survive more with some tricks but your PL will be anyway catched by their bots...doesn't matter your combos or NBA bets you place to hide your real ones
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Re: Gambling industry devastated by liquidity problems

Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:59 am

I think we have to consider how limitation has evolved over the years in online betting/gambling. I was able to take 5k euro of profits from each of kambi based books, before being limited. That was 4 years ago. Today these books would limit at 0.5k euro. I have only been in the game for 5 years and I think that the limitations imposed during this tiny period have been huge. Imagine how it must have been 15 years ago. Being able to "keep his personal Bet365 account active for a decade with very heavy action fooling traders constantly" might be true considering that this was a different time and that he wasn't really fooling anyone. The books just didn't give much attention to these first movers, who in low numbers were no big threat. The books focused on getting as many customers as possible to their new online segment. Lucrative casino bonuses were common back then as far as I've read.

Additionally, if you read up on some of the betting millionaires from the beginning of the millenium, their strategies were really not that sofisticated (for instance, abusing nba 2nd half betting). They were smart bettors in the way that they were first.
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Re: Gambling industry devastated by liquidity problems

Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:03 am

arbusers wrote: I spoke to one of the sharpest players worldwide the other day. To profile him quickly, the guy is active for 15 years now and made mid 8 figures in Euros. (Nothing to do with Charlatans that turned 1 euro to a million). He was able to keep his personal Bet365 account active for a decade with very heavy action fooling traders constantly. This guy now quits. There are 2 reasons for his decision. 1st, his gains created the safety and comfort he was looking for. 2nd, he thinks money will not come easy anymore.
I can understand both reasons. The first reason makes me happy, the second makes me sad.

I dont think the 1st reason its true.
For a guy that doesent have great wealth , financial safety comes way before dozens of M €. And after that i think is just a question of personal ego and the adrenaline, and the feeling that are one of the best in a specific industry.

2nd probably is true things are way harder now, but that doesent mean that the industry wont evolve into something that will have better possibilities to profit than before.

So to sum it up i just think this guy lost the means to win money with his strategies easily, and he hasnt found another easy way to continue his strategies. And in times like this when your struggling to advance further , one often looks back and his case the view is pretty good , so yeah in that case i would quit too.
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Re: Gambling industry devastated by liquidity problems

Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:23 am

Camma23 wrote: Smart betting can be associated only to pro betting and Asia. I’m sorry
Asia can be associated only with betting. Not smart betting.
Ever wonder why most of the posters here are Europeans?
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Re: Gambling industry devastated by liquidity problems

Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:31 am

for example i am beating closing lines on marathonbet for years with one account now, and thay let me play, thay even incrise my max bet to 100k€. So i will belive that is always posible to overcome limits, especialy if account is old. But bookies change strategies, we need to adopt or go home.
After 8 years into this i now think to go out of this, becouse it looks harder.. if i would make 1-2k per mounth i will not focus on betting any more, I dont look what i will work but what will make the most money to my pocket
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Re: Gambling industry devastated by liquidity problems

Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:33 am

asia is not worth to mention compare to bet365 limits. So who says smart bettors work with asia he dont know what he speak about
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Re: Gambling industry devastated by liquidity problems

Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:38 am

said the marathonbet bettor....ok  ::)
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Re: Gambling industry devastated by liquidity problems

Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:55 am

asia bettors will have hard times soon, limits getting smaller and smaller, sbo and dafa disappeared the market, pinnacle reduced limits, BetISN is doubtfull if they will be back. Only serious asian bookmaker left is singbet. Take Benfica -2 handicap today for example, you can take 473 euro at pinnacle, 317 euros at sbo with 0.04 lowered odds and 4105 euros at singbet. Imagine what will happens when singbet sooner or later reduced limits. Asia bettors will need to retire.
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Re: Gambling industry devastated by liquidity problems

Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:28 pm

I suppose this guy is from UK, Germany, Sweden... you get the point, maybe it was possible for him to smart bet for 10 years some time ago.
From poor country, no way, even 10 years ago. I'm from SE Europe and Bet365 limited me to peanuts after month or so of betting, It was 2008 or 2009, something like that. To be honest, I wasn't careful, I was betting on junk leagues and everything, but it was way before locust invasion.
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Re: Gambling industry devastated by liquidity problems

Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:44 pm

apoel81 wrote: asia bettors will have hard times soon, limits getting smaller and smaller, sbo and dafa disappeared the market, pinnacle reduced limits, BetISN is doubtfull if they will be back. Only serious asian bookmaker left is singbet. Take Benfica -2 handicap today for example, you can take 473 euro at pinnacle, 317 euros at sbo with 0.04 lowered odds and 4105 euros at singbet. Imagine what will happens when singbet sooner or later reduced limits. Asia bettors will need to retire.
With Pinnacle just remember that the limit is usually 2X if you bet direcly with them on their website, and not with a broker. But it still doesnt change the fact that all bookmakers today just want the losing customers, and the limits will keep dropping at the so-called sharp bookies. Pro bettors and syndicates will have to take bigger risks using less safe bookmakers to get their bets down in the future. 
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Re: Gambling industry devastated by liquidity problems

Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:54 pm

I can see a lot of envy here. Be careful. This is one of the capital sins.

I believe what arbusers said about this guy, and i believe that this numbers are real.

Vida Blue is right here, before was so different and easy, and limits were different, and accounts last for longer

I'm in this industry since 2015, so i am already in the middle. I am not new, but i don't have the experience that others have. And i saw 7 figures earned with my own eyes, and i heard and have some proofs of people that earned close to 8 figures.

I know other guys that made 7 figures for one single bookmaker in One Year.

There are a lot of different ways to make money. We all think that our point of view, and our way to operate is the best. And we cannot imagine no one that can do better than we already do.

We cannot lose the perspective and the humility. This is the best way to get better.

Maybe there is some ways to have an inmortal Bet365 account.
And our betting techniques allways  can be better than we think.

Pd: Money is not easy anymore could have a different meaning looking at the eyes of this guy. If he has all this amount of money, i can believe that a grand per cent of his money is in other different business, or invested in other places different than bets.

Maybe his earning from betting decreased.... But for the rest of us is still a lot.

We still being small fishes compared to this guy, that is a big whale, so maybe we have different hungry.

Just.... Other way of think....
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Re: Gambling industry devastated by liquidity problems

Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:40 pm

I believe you could make serious money with US bookies in 2000-2006 before  US government banned it for its citizens. But Bet365 was never easy money, they always limited your accounts strictly.
I'm just saying you can't believe everything that some guys say. I've seen many scammers who claimed success and later they offered some service which doesn't make sense if they are so successful- in all industries, not just betting. Or some people want to be admired. You have to be sceptical sometimes.
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Re: Gambling industry devastated by liquidity problems

Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:48 pm

arbusers wrote: I spoke to one of the sharpest players worldwide the other day. To profile him quickly, the guy is active for 15 years now and made mid 8 figures in Euros. (Nothing to do with Charlatans that turned 1 euro to a million). He was able to keep his personal Bet365 account active for a decade with very heavy action fooling traders constantly. This guy now quits. There are 2 reasons for his decision. 1st, his gains created the safety and comfort he was looking for. 2nd, he thinks money will not come easy anymore.
I can understand both reasons. The first reason makes me happy, the second makes me sad.
It surprises me that you believe this story, we are not even talking about something really crazy like 1M euros which already seems crazy to make in an industry like sport betting is or even was in the past ( Nowadays the max you can make in asian books in a year betting on liquids sports i dont think it can be more than 200/300k, and you have to be almost a genious in liquids sports to make this money in one year)
You are talking about 10M euros or more, its totally a no sense.
And in bet365, lol.
6/7 years ago in Spain some guys made really a "fortune" betting on ITF TENNIS In bet365, i dont think any of them made more than 500/600k in that period, the max they made i can think about is 1M euros and i really doubt it.
Considering this yeah maybe in liquids sports you could make in this period ( 6/7 years ago ) 2/3M euros without being banned from betting, but  more than 10M as you are saying? We are talking about salarys that for example a good football player can win during all his career if he is not a super star and just play in the first division as a kind of good player, its really crazy and a no sense as i said that someone can make medium football player salary in bet industry not only because the betting house will ban him but because in that case he is totally a genious betting on liquids  sports, and in all these years we never saw a guy making high profits in liquids sports, only in not liquids markets as i said like ITF tennis.
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Re: Gambling industry devastated by liquidity problems

Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:18 pm

The ignorance of so many people makes me believe there is more money to be made, no matter how hard it is.
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Re: Gambling industry devastated by liquidity problems

Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:26 pm

When i start betting i just have the idea to have the bonus and that's it. How much it was? 1000€ in total?

We are all here because our dreams were high.

When you tell to someone what are you doing, nobody believes you, until a third person doesn't confirm your history.

I believe that this guy won 50M with betting. And i believe that he will read our comments and laugh.

About this spanish guys. I know who they are. And they are far away from others.

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