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Greece and Turkey going to war?

Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:58 pm

I read that Greece and Turkey are going to war in the days to come. Is this true?
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Re: Greece and Turkey going to war?

Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:30 pm

I've heard the same, every year, from the time of Achilles.
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Re: Greece and Turkey going to war?

Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:35 pm

CharlieSheen99 wrote: I've heard the same, every year, from the time of Achilles.
How is this possible? Turks didn't exist by that time.
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Re: Greece and Turkey going to war?

Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:08 pm

I see the Turkish president Erdogan threatening Greece with war on a daily basis. Is this because he will lose elections next summer, or is it something else? What is your take?
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Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:27 am

Lately many are talking about the end of Erdogan. Considering him weak, they say that in the next election he will lose power. Others say he will export his problems to Greece by declaring war. I argue that none of the 2 will happen and I submit my assessment of the transition of the regime in Turkey.
It is wrong to analyze Turkey by Western criteria. It has a historical depth in which it has only been a satellite of others for some decades. In the remaining centuries it was an empire and a pole of power, once the only one in the world. Thus, it should be analyzed with its own particular criteria.
From 2016 to today, Erdogan has summarily imprisoned 600,000 of his opponents, making Turkey the 2nd largest gulag in the world after China. The next Turkish government has no reason to keep these people in prison. As tempers are high and the country is not known for its sobriety, Erdogan will face the revenge of all these and the mechanisms from which they originate. Also Erdogan remembers Prime Minister Menderes on the gallows hanged by the Army, and that's why he declared "I will not become Menderes". The fall from power will bring a biological end for him and for many relatives and fellow cronies.
So I think Erdogan will not step down peacefully. He will cling to power at any cost to save his life. With the electoral data discounting defeat, the possible scenarios for him are limited to the following:
1. Exporting the problems abroad.
2. Constitutional diversion.
Exporting the problems abroad is no longer possible since the US and Russia have demarcated Turkey's geographical boundaries. Russia with its Army in Syria. The US with its ambiguity. Erdogan's only remaining option is constitutional diversion. But there is the asterisk of Cyprus, where a hybrid drama can be staged. I hope the Cypriots are ready.
What will be the form of this diversion? I imagine the following scenarios:
1. Failure to hold elections.
2. Electoral Law Change with GerryMandering.
3. Use of Islamists inside Turkey with possible civil war.
4. Combination of the above.
Contrary to what many believe, Erdogan in power in the current circumstances is convenient for many. The successor situation will be more dangerous, because Turkey's old (West) and new (Russia) allies will bid to keep it in their fold. When benefits are shared, you don't want to be the one to pay them. At the same time, it is certain that Erdogan will fall one day, either with the help of third parties, or from natural causes. In conclusion, Erdogan for the next 3-4 years will be for many the last extension of time before sacrifices are asked. In this timeframe, US ambivalence will have ended, and the transition of power to Turkey will have become clear.
And of course, I will close this post with my favourite Cavafy:
"And now what will we be born without barbarians.
These people were a kind of solution.''
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Re: Greece and Turkey going to war?

Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:57 pm

What makes you think Turkey and Russia are allies, and why do you think Turkey prefers starting a war with Greece, and not with another country (i.e Iraq, Syria etc)?
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Re: Greece and Turkey going to war?

Sat Oct 01, 2022 2:12 pm

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Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:57 pm
What makes you think Turkey and Russia are allies, and why do you think Turkey prefers starting a war with Greece, and not with another country (i.e Iraq, Syria etc)?

Have no doubt both Putin and Erdogan are snakes. There can never be an alliance between 2 snakes. They simply choose to stay friends for now until the next round. Now some cruel facts.
Turkey bought the S400 antimissile system from Russia even all the alliance (NATO) and the USA told her not to do so. This S400 system is a real threat for the alliance, because under specific circumstances stances they could share NATO data with Russia. How safe is that for civilization?
Turkey receives its balk of tourism from Russia. This is a huge injection of capital.
Turkey receives cash from Russians that were sanctioned from the rest of the world.
Turkey brakes all sanctions from the rest of the world.
Turkey blocked the expansion of NATO to Sweden and Finland. Who is benefiting from that really?

Finally, it is easier to sell a war to the electorate when it is against a Christian country, because the religious fanatism will be there. There will be no religious fanatism with a war against Iraq or Syria.
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Re: Greece and Turkey going to war?

Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:21 pm

Nordic monitor claims Erdogan is preparing for a false flag attack in Greece before summer 2023 in an attempt to stop the elections or align the Turkish nation behind him in a provoked war.
https://nordicmonitor.com/2022/10/secre ... operation/
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Re: Greece and Turkey going to war?

Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:59 pm

No one really wants war!
War would push both countries years if not decades back (especially Turkey)
However Erdogan is unpredictable and his back is in wall!
Everybody is saying that in the event of losing next elections he and his family will be forced to exile or even worst face prison sentences!
There are so much at stake for him and that can make him even more unpredictable and dangerous.
Turkish constitution gives him the right to postpone elections in extraordinary circumstances and a war … well is extraordinary!
Add to this that during the next years to come Greek Air Force will receive some brand new French Rafale’s , the F-16 fleet will be updated to the most capable F-16 version (so called viper version) and possibly even purchase F-35’s and Greek Navy will receive the brand new French Belharra frigates , maybe all this gives Erdogan the signal that now is the right time for a move or regret later!!
On the other hand Greece is not Syria , nor Iraq , nor Libya.
It’s a NATO member , EU + Eurozone country and the stakes are high here !
Possible bad outcome will not only sign Erdogan’s political and even biological end , but will have dire consequences for his country for many decades!
A very difficult equation to solve indeed!!
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Re: Greece and Turkey going to war?

Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:19 pm

Food for thought..
What is the cost of building the Bosporous bridges ?
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Re: Greece and Turkey going to war?

Tue Oct 11, 2022 5:32 pm

cortomaltese wrote:
Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:19 pm
Food for thought..
What is the cost of building the Bosporous bridges ?

When AirDogHans life is at stake, do you think he will care if he brings his country back in the 70s?

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