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Re: A gambling syndicate
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2021, 01:08:29 PM »
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You say you are 100% transparent and legal, does it mean that you only bet with sharp bookies which allow corporate accounts, like Starlizard syndicate?

Our betting in sharp bookmakers is very much limited these days. We dont need it and we are not depending on any sharp bookmaker and exchange. In the past we were very much in need of them but not now.

As for Starlizard and the others these are simply networks. We dont need them anymore and we have our own networks completely controlled by us.

it looks like that this guy collect bets from local bookmakers from various people in various countries .. People who bet these matches keep part of profits..  am i wrong?

We collect bets from various sources and we place our bets in various bookmakers online and offline. People who work for us must be paid and they are on our payroll. Some of them are getting a salary, others are taking a share, others are simply paid by placing the same bets.

i dont know if i have your contact campeones on skype from many years ago...how can i contact you?

No. You dont have my contact. I asked arbusers not to bring me in touch with anyone. I received many requests of this type even before this thread and I refused all.


Bosses at the phone with people betting in the shops.

They are now trying to create a bot and an alert service for that bot.


We have many ways to communicate our bets one of them is phones. And yes we use many bots in various ways.

Having access to locals in many countries is the only way to have big bets on exotic leagues nowadays

Access to shops in many countries is one of the keys to success.

We are present in Brazil already. We examined and rejected Albania. We are present in some Yugoslavian countries.
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Re: A gambling syndicate
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2021, 01:16:57 PM »
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Smart gambling will be here for ever. It will never stop.

I mentioned in the 2019 annual review that smart gambling constantly evolves. It changes but it never dies.
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Re: A gambling syndicate
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2021, 03:22:29 PM »
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with what purpose you open this topic?
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Re: A gambling syndicate
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2021, 05:56:13 PM »
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with what purpose you open this topic?

I was wondering same
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Re: A gambling syndicate
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2021, 06:23:05 PM »
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I asked him to start this thread, knowing that it will be very interesting for our members.
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Re: A gambling syndicate
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2021, 08:36:35 PM »
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@campeones but how can you legally bet with soft bookies? You have to register all your profit, so how do you explain to the government how your company makes money? My knowledge in law is very limited so it would be very interesting to learn about it.
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Re: A gambling syndicate
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2021, 09:36:30 PM »
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@campeones  what sports are you covering and do you have your own people who give you picks?
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Re: A gambling syndicate
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2021, 09:44:01 AM »
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Could you tell us in which countries you already are?

So interesting the part of the casinos.

In which machines, or games do you bet?
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Re: A gambling syndicate
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2021, 07:33:08 AM »
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with what purpose you open this topic?

I have no purposes. I rejected all suggested proposal for cooperation so I have nothing to gain. I m returning many favours to arbusers and I get the pleasure to provide something to the community. This is the opinion of my bosses too who kindly allow me to start all this.
But be careful here. As I said in my introductory post, dont expect from me to teach you how to arb and value bet. I dont know how to do it. I am just posting my experiences within a syndicate or a company. This is a view of a bigger than retail smart bettor's level. This is my contribution.

@campeones but how can you legally bet with soft bookies? You have to register all your profit, so how do you explain to the government how your company makes money? My knowledge in law is very limited so it would be very interesting to learn about it.

This question is very general. No, we don't have to register all of our profits because some countries don't tax gambling profits and even there is no gambling profits box in the annual tax declaration forms. But we are a company. We are not individual bettors. We must be taxed as a company according to the tax rates for the corporates profits and dividends. All profits coming from gambling are declared and taxed. Tax planning is the first step for every company and you should not start any company unless you have a solid tax plan and support. Many people and companies start their business only to find out later that taxes will take away all profits.

@campeones  what sports are you covering and do you have your own people who give you picks?

We cover all sports with no exception. But we are fully aware that online bookmakers don't like certain markets and bets and we try to avoid them as much as we can to avoid restrictions and limitations. We don't have people giving us picks. This is what Punteam does but this is a different model and approach. We believe our model is better and I am sure we are greener than Punteam and other syndicates based on tipsters. We use softwares to selects our bets. Some times softwares place our bets also. For casinos we use bots who place the hands or the bets. Of course we dont know how much money we will make from 1 account in a casino, but we know how much money we will make with 100 accounts giver or take 1-2%.

Could you tell us in which countries you already are?

So interesting the part of the casinos.

In which machines, or games do you bet?

Yes, I will tell you some of the countries that we work in. I will make separate posts on each country. I will make posts about the countries that we failed to get in and tell you the reasons why we failed. Allow me to keep a secret for some countries that we don't want to publicly say to avoid competition from others. Allow me not to say the games we bet.
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Re: A gambling syndicate
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2021, 08:24:27 AM »
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I never look into casino games how to beat tham.  But like i know the only game you can beat online casino is poker. Of course with affiliate abuse you can beat tham on any game. I asume if you beat online casinos, you beat tham in poker or with welcome bonuses, and you play punto blanco(of few other games wher casino have low advantage) wher the loses are very low on long term. But I asume you dont know this thinks
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Re: A gambling syndicate
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2021, 09:19:26 AM »
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@campeones Does most of your betting profit come from online betting or from shop betting ?
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Re: A gambling syndicate
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2021, 09:26:23 AM »
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@campeones how will the company cope with (obvious) account limitations ?
I think every smart bettor must face it at some point, unless your action is only via Asian agents, but if I got well your business this is not the case 
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Re: A gambling syndicate
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2021, 09:36:49 AM »
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I never look into casino games how to beat tham.  But like i know the only game you can beat online casino is poker. Of course with affiliate abuse you can beat tham on any game. I asume if you beat online casinos, you beat tham in poker or with welcome bonuses, and you play punto blanco(of few other games wher casino have low advantage) wher the loses are very low on long term. But I asume you dont know this thinks

I think that is so hard to make a poker bot. Yes, Mathematics are there, but you have to put a lot of different algorithm. You need an algorithm to count the people on the table. Another to count your position. Another to count your possibilities to win. Another to count when someone bet or when someone raise, and how much. You have to know how much money have each one. I believe that is so so hard to make a bot for Poker because is a game with a lot of hidden information. Maybe Blackjack. But, Casinos knows when someone is taking advantage and take out from the business quickly.
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Re: A gambling syndicate
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2021, 09:56:56 AM »
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with what purpose you open this topic?

I think that is so interesting, and everyone could learn some things.
It's a reality that cooperation between more and more people is what is needed to jump to a level that others can't.
95% of this community works alone. But, people that give a try to form a group, in the end, goes to a very high level than people that not do that.
But the things have to be clear for the very first steps. If not the lies, the envy, the avarice...., the human nature, could destroy everything.
If you are alone, you don't need to have confidence with no one, but, you cannot reach the top.
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Re: A gambling syndicate
« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2021, 11:19:57 AM »
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with what purpose you open this topic?

I think that is so interesting, and everyone could learn some things.
It's a reality that cooperation between more and more people is what is needed to jump to a level that others can't.
95% of this community works alone. But, people that give a try to form a group, in the end, goes to a very high level than people that not do that.
But the things have to be clear for the very first steps. If not the lies, the envy, the avarice...., the human nature, could destroy everything.
If you are alone, you don't need to have confidence with no one, but, you cannot reach the top.

I thought that the main problem with writing a poker bot is that it is against the TOS of most (all?) poker sites, and you end up kicked out.
Isn't it so?
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