Arbusers

Yngwie wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:17 am

Of course I would like you to give an example from parley bets at the same time.

When you parlay two events scheduled at same or similiar time. You have chance to get x25 of your arb profit. Yes, x25!

However, you reduce the overall profit little bit..but you keep your chance to hit the jackpot.

Allright, here's the parlay:

Man City 1,35    Saturday 17:00 (Lay is 1,25)
Liverpool 1,35    Saturday 17:15 (Lay is 1,25)

Stake: 3000€

The key is..We lay each bet seperate.

Risk for City is 1120,39€ Lay stake is 4481,56€.
Risk for Liverpool is 1120,39€. Lay stake is 4481,56€.

Let's have a look at scenarios now..

Both City and Liverpool win +226€ Profit
City wins, Lİverpool not winner  +226€ Profit
Liverpool wins, City not winner +226€ Profit

What if both Liverpool and City does not win?

Well, you HIT THE JACKPOT in that case!

+5739€ profit if both Liverpool and City fail to win.

Parlay bet lost -3000€
City lay win +4481,56€ (+4369,52€ Net)
Liverpool lay win +4481,56€ (+4369,52€ Net)

Net Profit: +5739€

PS: Betfair comission is %2.5

PS2: This strategy works best with short odds. Doesn't work very well on bigger odds.

PS3: If you think winning 2 lay bets is very unlikely, Well, think again! It just happened this weekend! Liverpool lost 7-2 while Leeds-Man City match ended 1-1.

PS4: If two events were scheduled at different times, and you were arbing classic way. You would make +223€ profit if first leg lost and +524€ profit if first leg was winner.

PS5: In stores 12 November.

Can someone help me how i can do this ? All my experience is live bet arbing.. how can i do parlay surebetting by arbing classic way not lay bets i didnt understand it.. if not in the post maybe you could answer me with direct message..
I would appreciate if someone help me

There are unrealistic lay odds. this is why you do not get it

It’s certainly tougher than it was a few years ago.

More bookies in the UK are closing down due to gambling commission policies. Sites like Bwin and Ladbrokes joining up, so the odds are pretty much the same now. That’s good if you want clones, but Bwin and Ladbrokes had atleast one clone anyway.

The alert services not really progressing as well.

It's definitviely not dead. However, it has gotten very much harder. Modern technology (algorithms, machine learning, data sharing) has gotten so good, and it has benefited bookmarkers a lot.

Personally I don't think it is dead at all, the conditions we work in constantly change and evolve and we also need to evolve but with change comes opportunities.

I have noticed that the activity on this forum has reduced hugely in recent years and I'm not sure if this is because conditions are more challenging or that people are using other channels of communication?

Answering your question...
The community suffered successive hits that resulted to a diminishing number of people practising smart gambling and visiting our forum.
1. Bookmakers created a very toxic environment against smart bettors.
2. Ewallets and other payment processors became very strict against anything they would deem as illegal.
3. The very well known biggest bookmaker in the world is now hunting the last cent under the table.
4. The pandemics worked as a vacuum cleaner that sucked a lot of funds.
5. The pandemics dragged people from smart gambling to crypto investing.
Of course there are other minor events also contributing to a gloomy environment (i.e war in Ukraine etc). All these resulted to less members in the forum.

For 1,2,3 I know the locusts are responsible.
Also, services like odds monkey are damaging the market.

The industry is in constant change. This is not only a bad thing.

I think the classical arb game of the first decade and maybe the second of this century is almost dead. Of course, you get some minor sure bets from time to time, pick up a dropping odd or get some cross-market stuff, but it's not like 2006. I would be surprised if someone would make his whole income just with the classical stuff. I wouldn't say it's impossible but I need a lot of Phantasie here.

All the regulation in Europe and the rise of the smart betting community has tightened the game. But opportunities came at the same time. A lot of players left the field because they did not make the necessary adjustments. I guess this is a normal process, it happens always when smart people fight for their piece of cake. The whole thing is a good example of what cultural evolution can do, the system as a whole got smarter.
But of course there are still people just a bit smarter than the average. This kind of person will always make money (if they want to). I see betting always as a strategy game between all the players/actors in the market.

Long story short, the classical arb game is almost dead due to the numerous reasons named here in the thread. But this does not mean, that there cant be money made with a smart betting approach.

Its possible I make 2 000 eur month by live arbing

Wiper wrote: ↑

Tue May 10, 2022 10:21 am

Its possible I make 2 000 eur month by live arbing

The answer is yes, provided the certain circumstances are met. For some, 2000 monthly is a moderate amount.

arb game is still very alive... there are just harder times to start arbing than 10 - 15 years ago. arbers with knowledge are still making decent monthly profits.

macola wrote: ↑

Sun May 22, 2022 9:30 am

arb game is still very alive... there are just harder times to start arbing than 10 - 15 years ago. arbers with knowledge are still making decent monthly profits.

It was tough in 2007-12, I remember very well. Are you referring to arbing strictly or do you mean other forms of betting too (i.e value betting)?

blackjack wrote: ↑

Tue May 24, 2022 12:53 pm

macola wrote: ↑

Sun May 22, 2022 9:30 am

arb game is still very alive... there are just harder times to start arbing than 10 - 15 years ago. arbers with knowledge are still making decent monthly profits.

It was tough in 2007-12, I remember very well. Are you referring to arbing strictly or do you mean other forms of betting too (i.e value betting)?

You could make so much from Bet365, It's not possible now, you can make some decent money, but it's so far from how it was. There is much more work and less profit. I do it now only for fun.

All 3 of you are right. I remember the years around 2007, already it was getting difficult by the day. Bet365 has been one of the last cash cow machines, maybe because of their profitability. But they too get tougher these days.

i do arbing only... with all the knowledge i got from last 13 years in business... this season was one of my best...