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Re: Isn't the arb game dead?

Tue Oct 06, 2020 2:10 pm

Alfa1234 wrote: Hahahaha good lord that never even occured to me.  This is brilliant!
"I hate to say it, but if you don't see an advantage into being able to arb a parlay where 2 games are being played at the same time...you need to start opening your mind to bigger possibilities and broaden your horizons"

really alfa1234, you've been arbing many years and need yngwie/sawyer to tell you about this, maybe it is you who has to broaden their horizons?

I experimented with doubles and trebles many years ago and found them too much hassle and frustrating with odds movements and too time consuming and packed in that idea long ago, I did it purely for account longevity and was no additional profit but yes probably did make accounts last longer but my laziness meant i gave up on it.

it was far easier to do this in the old days when arbs were bigger and plentiful, you are very wrong when you say the arb size doesn't matter, try this will small arbs and small odds fluctuations will mean losses not profit.

you owe yngwie/sawyer a big thank you alfa1234 for the arbing lesson but very surprised an experienced guy like you needed it?
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Re: Isn't the arb game dead?

Tue Oct 06, 2020 2:25 pm

Yep, I owe him a big thank you.  Been doing parlays for a long time but it never occured to me you could arb when the games had the same starting time.  ;D
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Re: Isn't the arb game dead?

Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:12 pm

Alfa1234 wrote: Yep, I owe him a big thank you.  Been doing parlays for a long time but it never occured to me you could arb when the games had the same starting time.  ;D
good luck with your attempts, hope you can let the forum know of your success Alfa1234 with your new technique of parlay arbing
with games at same time.

I'll also be keen to hear after you try if you are still saying the "size of the arb doesn't matter, it's all in the math"

you'll be in for a rude awakening and costly lesson if you attempt parlays with games at same time with anything but very large arbs,
you'll soon learn that the size of the arbs matters a great deal and guaranteed profit doesn't work with small to medium arbs.
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Re: Isn't the arb game dead?

Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:22 pm

@justanarber

You went against all holy cows of the forum, Vidablue, dealerwins, and Alfa1234. Who is next?
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Re: Isn't the arb game dead?

Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:46 pm

If you combine two or more valuebets, the value is multiplied as well.
I allways do it, and no care about the odds. I even bet on very high odds.

And yes, sometimes, you get the jackpot.
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Re: Isn't the arb game dead?

Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:56 pm

CharlieSheen99 wrote: If you combine two or more valuebets, the value is multiplied as well.
I allways do it, and no care about the odds. I even bet on very high odds.

And yes, sometimes, you get the jackpot.
anyone can gamble and shout loudly when he wins but stay silent when he loses, the example and the discusssion was not about value betting, the example had guaranteed profit on all outcomes, to value bet is a different thing and was not being discussed.

combining value bets does not multiply the value as you claim, the value remains the same, only your staking is multiplied.

you can be same as alfa1234 and say odds don't matter but when parlaying two games at same time the odds really do matter if you want guaranteed profit, valuebetting them is another thing entirely
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Re: Isn't the arb game dead?

Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:01 pm

balls of steele wrote: @justanarber

You went against all holy cows of the forum, Vidablue, dealerwins, and Alfa1234. Who is next?
you forgot yngwie/sawyer, him too ;) and that guy is class a real arbing superstar, the other 3? not in same league.

not against anyone though, just calling it as i see it, if there are holy cows? doesn't mean they don't write nonsense sometimes.
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Re: Isn't the arb game dead?

Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:14 pm

justanarber wrote:
balls of steele wrote: @justanarber

You went against all holy cows of the forum, Vidablue, dealerwins, and Alfa1234. Who is next?
you forgot yngwie/sawyer, him too ;) and that guy is class a real arbing superstar, the other 3? not in same league.

not against anyone though, just calling it as i see it, if there are holy cows? doesn't mean they don't write nonsense sometimes.
How about you stop putting words in other poster's mouth and simply appreciate someone sharing knowledge.  You don't like it or think it's useless?  Fine.  I know it's a gem...the fact that you don't says more about you than anything else.  I'm happy to learn from anyone willing to share knowledge, but you haven's shared a single usefull thing. Whinging about how you think it's useless and continuing to utter the same thing about needing big arbs to make money doesn't change that fact.  I hope you make a lot of money using your ways, I really do.  I however much appreciate the knowledge gained in this thread and am already using it to full effect.
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Re: Isn't the arb game dead?

Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:26 pm

Alfa1234 wrote:
justanarber wrote:
balls of steele wrote: @justanarber

You went against all holy cows of the forum, Vidablue, dealerwins, and Alfa1234. Who is next?
you forgot yngwie/sawyer, him too ;) and that guy is class a real arbing superstar, the other 3? not in same league.

not against anyone though, just calling it as i see it, if there are holy cows? doesn't mean they don't write nonsense sometimes.
How about you stop putting words in other poster's mouth and simply appreciate someone sharing knowledge.  You don't like it or think it's useless?  Fine.  I know it's a gem...the fact that you don't says more about you than anything else.  I'm happy to learn from anyone willing to share knowledge, but you haven's shared a single usefull thing. Whinging about how you think it's useless and continuing to utter the same thing about needing big arbs to make money doesn't change that fact.  I hope you make a lot of money using your ways, I really do.  I however much appreciate the knowledge gained in this thread and am already using it to full effect.
ah you only hear want you want to hear, that is fine, you grab yngwie/sawyers words as you look for a free lunch without any analysis and thought, when someone, me, says "hey this idea is not so good" then you don't like as it threatens your free lunch.

I have shared a single useful thing alfa1234, I've pointed out this idea is not as good as it seems but to this you are deaf as it's not what you are wanting to hear.

but of course you are claiming you are already using it to full effect, so quickly? which is quite remarkable for a guy who's been arbing many years that one post less than a day ago about two fictitious 25% arbs can make such a difference to you, I have experience of these types of bets unlike you alfa1234, I know what i am talking about and you are about to find out.
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Re: Isn't the arb game dead?

Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:27 pm

This thread has a great amount of valuable information, thanks to Yngwie-Sawyer.
Personal confrontations are not helping the community and in the end, this valuable info will be depleted and lost among posts that have nothing to contribute.
Please avoid personal confrontations, they will be deleted in the end.
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Re: Isn't the arb game dead?

Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:33 pm

Justanarber is confronting all genuine posters of the forum. This forum will have more quality ad less noise without him.
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Re: Isn't the arb game dead?

Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:37 pm

balls of steele wrote: Justanarber is confronting all genuine posters of the forum. This forum will have more quality ad less noise without him.
you forgot to write in my opinion  ;D

I have same karma as you balls of steele and with 30 less posts  ;)
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Re: Isn't the arb game dead?

Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:35 pm

justanarber wrote:
CharlieSheen99 wrote: If you combine two or more valuebets, the value is multiplied as well.
I allways do it, and no care about the odds. I even bet on very high odds.

And yes, sometimes, you get the jackpot.
anyone can gamble and shout loudly when he wins but stay silent when he loses, the example and the discusssion was not about value betting, the example had guaranteed profit on all outcomes, to value bet is a different thing and was not being discussed.

combining value bets does not multiply the value as you claim, the value remains the same, only your staking is multiplied.

you can be same as alfa1234 and say odds don't matter but when parlaying two games at same time the odds really do matter if you want guaranteed profit, valuebetting them is another thing entirely
Combining valuebets, of course, multiply the value. it's a simple mathematics operation.
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Re: Isn't the arb game dead?

Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:49 pm

CharlieSheen99 wrote:
justanarber wrote:
CharlieSheen99 wrote: If you combine two or more valuebets, the value is multiplied as well.
I allways do it, and no care about the odds. I even bet on very high odds.

And yes, sometimes, you get the jackpot.
anyone can gamble and shout loudly when he wins but stay silent when he loses, the example and the discusssion was not about value betting, the example had guaranteed profit on all outcomes, to value bet is a different thing and was not being discussed.

combining value bets does not multiply the value as you claim, the value remains the same, only your staking is multiplied.

you can be same as alfa1234 and say odds don't matter but when parlaying two games at same time the odds really do matter if you want guaranteed profit, valuebetting them is another thing entirely
Combining valuebets, of course, multiply the value. it's a simple mathematics operation.
obviously it is not so simple yo you, you can combine 2 events or 3 or 10 the value remains the same, you are confusing value with profit, combining bets will increase stakes therefore profit too but does not change the value.
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Re: Isn't the arb game dead?

Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:59 pm

justanarber wrote:
CharlieSheen99 wrote:
justanarber wrote: anyone can gamble and shout loudly when he wins but stay silent when he loses, the example and the discusssion was not about value betting, the example had guaranteed profit on all outcomes, to value bet is a different thing and was not being discussed.

combining value bets does not multiply the value as you claim, the value remains the same, only your staking is multiplied.

you can be same as alfa1234 and say odds don't matter but when parlaying two games at same time the odds really do matter if you want guaranteed profit, valuebetting them is another thing entirely
Combining valuebets, of course, multiply the value. it's a simple mathematics operation.
obviously it is not so simple yo you, you can combine 2 events or 3 or 10 the value remains the same, you are confusing value with profit, combining bets will increase stakes therefore profit too but does not change the value.
Up to you.

Just take a paper, do the maths, and you will see with your own eyes.

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