Live Arbitrage and How Hard It Is to Make Money
- Sponlaion
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Live Arbitrage and How Hard It Is to Make Money
Could someone give me tips on how to learn how to capture live entries? I've been trying for months, but it gets extremely tiring to open the games and see them with different odds. Does anyone have any "tips" to guide me? I know people who make more than 15,000 dollars every month just with arb live, but they don't teach.
- Tonton
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Yes - here is the one for you.
Dont waste your time. You are too lazy to read latest topics with clear examples I posted, and complain about watching odds it is too tiring. Ofcourse it is, it should be hard! If it was easy everybody would have done it.
And that is why nobody will "teach you" because you are not ready to learn. My advice to you is - find another area/craft when you have REAL desire for it, not just money. Money are the byproducts, they will follow eventually...
Dont waste your time. You are too lazy to read latest topics with clear examples I posted, and complain about watching odds it is too tiring. Ofcourse it is, it should be hard! If it was easy everybody would have done it.
And that is why nobody will "teach you" because you are not ready to learn. My advice to you is - find another area/craft when you have REAL desire for it, not just money. Money are the byproducts, they will follow eventually...
- TjTaker
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"Money are the byproducts, they will follow eventually..." 
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in what country is this?
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Sponlaion wrote: ↑Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:09 amCould someone give me tips on how to learn how to capture live entries? I've been trying for months, but it gets extremely tiring to open the games and see them with different odds. Does anyone have any "tips" to guide me? I know people who make more than 15,000 dollars every month just with arb live, but they don't teach.
in what country is this?
- Ste
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the reality is that you have to learn by yourself, for 3 reasons:
1 it takes years to become a profitable sport trader, like every other job it requires education and experience
2 people on forums can't help you gain the necessary education and experience because it takes a huge quantity of time and effort and because you need to "hit your head" on the obstacles to know how to overcome them
3 if you know how to do a specialized job and you teach it for free to others, what are you doing? you are creating competition that will take slices of your market in the future
1 it takes years to become a profitable sport trader, like every other job it requires education and experience
2 people on forums can't help you gain the necessary education and experience because it takes a huge quantity of time and effort and because you need to "hit your head" on the obstacles to know how to overcome them
3 if you know how to do a specialized job and you teach it for free to others, what are you doing? you are creating competition that will take slices of your market in the future
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arb12
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Sorry for getting off-topic now, let me share some thoughts on point 3 of your comment;
There is another hypothesis existing - imagine that someone generously affords to share a few of her/his ideas, since the reliable practice of her/his brainstorming for years is just unbreakable, so her/his share of the long-term profit will never be eliminated.
This is not pure charity, this Person is not selfish, but fully self-aware Homo Sapiens in the evolutionary process of development, and she/he is simply returning some of the Knowledge to the Community as a moral debt that needs to be paid (even those who now read the markets very well were once rookies and were inspired by those who generously shared some of their thoughts and ideas, in forums, and so forth; Do you remember those bygone times when People discussed in detail and helped each other to create different things?).
It is obvious that this Person would never ever allow her/his business to be jeopardized, but would simply share a few drops of Knowledge for future discussions, help upcoming Rookies, etc.
I wish you success in the markets.
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Sorry for getting off-topic now, let me share some thoughts on point 3 of your comment;
There is another hypothesis existing - imagine that someone generously affords to share a few of her/his ideas, since the reliable practice of her/his brainstorming for years is just unbreakable, so her/his share of the long-term profit will never be eliminated.
This is not pure charity, this Person is not selfish, but fully self-aware Homo Sapiens in the evolutionary process of development, and she/he is simply returning some of the Knowledge to the Community as a moral debt that needs to be paid (even those who now read the markets very well were once rookies and were inspired by those who generously shared some of their thoughts and ideas, in forums, and so forth; Do you remember those bygone times when People discussed in detail and helped each other to create different things?).
It is obvious that this Person would never ever allow her/his business to be jeopardized, but would simply share a few drops of Knowledge for future discussions, help upcoming Rookies, etc.
I wish you success in the markets.
- Ste
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You make a good point and i agree, but not completely.
I think your logic works in a "normal" fair environment that allows people to profit from their knowledge.
But unfortunately our field is very far from being normal and fair.
If the bookmakers didnt use every dirty tactics to get rid of winning players i would be happy to teach others how to be profitable (i already gave plenty of suggestions on this forum and others, and i gave a full free course to a guy i personally know who wanted to switch from poker to smart betting).
We are forced to operate in a position of clear disadvantage, and my edge gets thinner and thinner.
Here are some examples of what happens in my country:
- most bookmakers have ridicolous odds and are useless
- the few decent ones limit accounts in no time and even use the "DDD tactic" to avoid or delay payments. a famous book (with license to operate legally in my country) where i won almost 5 digits is not letting me withdraw even if all the verifications are ok and the profile is legit.
- since i was limited and profiled as smart bettor, as soon as i place a bet the odds get lowered. also, i experience continuous malfunctions in the websites/apps that before didn't happen. for example i see wrong odds displayed, and they change as soon as i click to bet. i get logged out in few minutes and when i try to log in again, i'm not allowed with random errors.
- on the local betfair (not the .com) the betfair traders do all kind of illegal shit.
for example: they operate in-play without the delay that all other users have. so if you have an order in the market and the odds change against you, they can take your money without giving you the time to remove it. this should be ILLEGAL. they also run bots that do this automatically. they also take all money at odds that allow them to arb with "mother" .com. since they pay no commission to each other they can arb even 1 tick, making impossible for users to match orders, but force them to take the odds they offer. so the whole betfair is an arbing bot disguised as exchange, and they even take 4.5% commission. also, they manipulate the market in many different ways that someone who has no experience can't notice.
in these conditions where the competition can do all kind of illegal shit while we are absolutely non-protected by useless "gaming control boards", i'm sure you understand if i'm not motivated to share my (already shrinking) edge with others.
(i apologize for the long post but i wanted to explain the details behind my point of view)
I think your logic works in a "normal" fair environment that allows people to profit from their knowledge.
But unfortunately our field is very far from being normal and fair.
If the bookmakers didnt use every dirty tactics to get rid of winning players i would be happy to teach others how to be profitable (i already gave plenty of suggestions on this forum and others, and i gave a full free course to a guy i personally know who wanted to switch from poker to smart betting).
We are forced to operate in a position of clear disadvantage, and my edge gets thinner and thinner.
Here are some examples of what happens in my country:
- most bookmakers have ridicolous odds and are useless
- the few decent ones limit accounts in no time and even use the "DDD tactic" to avoid or delay payments. a famous book (with license to operate legally in my country) where i won almost 5 digits is not letting me withdraw even if all the verifications are ok and the profile is legit.
- since i was limited and profiled as smart bettor, as soon as i place a bet the odds get lowered. also, i experience continuous malfunctions in the websites/apps that before didn't happen. for example i see wrong odds displayed, and they change as soon as i click to bet. i get logged out in few minutes and when i try to log in again, i'm not allowed with random errors.
- on the local betfair (not the .com) the betfair traders do all kind of illegal shit.
for example: they operate in-play without the delay that all other users have. so if you have an order in the market and the odds change against you, they can take your money without giving you the time to remove it. this should be ILLEGAL. they also run bots that do this automatically. they also take all money at odds that allow them to arb with "mother" .com. since they pay no commission to each other they can arb even 1 tick, making impossible for users to match orders, but force them to take the odds they offer. so the whole betfair is an arbing bot disguised as exchange, and they even take 4.5% commission. also, they manipulate the market in many different ways that someone who has no experience can't notice.
in these conditions where the competition can do all kind of illegal shit while we are absolutely non-protected by useless "gaming control boards", i'm sure you understand if i'm not motivated to share my (already shrinking) edge with others.
(i apologize for the long post but i wanted to explain the details behind my point of view)
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arb12
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@ Ste,
You are absolutely right about the deliberate poisoning of the environment by market makers. You have to push the nitro and bring this to the attention of the national regulatory authority so they can help you unblock your funds and help others.
You are absolutely right about the deliberate poisoning of the environment by market makers. You have to push the nitro and bring this to the attention of the national regulatory authority so they can help you unblock your funds and help others.
- Ste
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thanks, i hope i'll manage to withdraw my funds at least
- betto88t
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Many of the anomalies you talk about in Betfair I also know that sometimes it seems that even if you are the first in line to be matched it seems that someone else has priority before you, I agree on Betfair but I also notice it through agents now I don't know if it also depends only on Betfair, there are many anomaliesSte wrote: ↑Tue Jul 01, 2025 6:32 amYou make a good point and i agree, but not completely.
I think your logic works in a "normal" fair environment that allows people to profit from their knowledge.
But unfortunately our field is very far from being normal and fair.
If the bookmakers didnt use every dirty tactics to get rid of winning players i would be happy to teach others how to be profitable (i already gave plenty of suggestions on this forum and others, and i gave a full free course to a guy i personally know who wanted to switch from poker to smart betting).
We are forced to operate in a position of clear disadvantage, and my edge gets thinner and thinner.
Here are some examples of what happens in my country:
- most bookmakers have ridicolous odds and are useless
- the few decent ones limit accounts in no time and even use the "DDD tactic" to avoid or delay payments. a famous book (with license to operate legally in my country) where i won almost 5 digits is not letting me withdraw even if all the verifications are ok and the profile is legit.
- since i was limited and profiled as smart bettor, as soon as i place a bet the odds get lowered. also, i experience continuous malfunctions in the websites/apps that before didn't happen. for example i see wrong odds displayed, and they change as soon as i click to bet. i get logged out in few minutes and when i try to log in again, i'm not allowed with random errors.
- on the local betfair (not the .com) the betfair traders do all kind of illegal shit.
for example: they operate in-play without the delay that all other users have. so if you have an order in the market and the odds change against you, they can take your money without giving you the time to remove it. this should be ILLEGAL. they also run bots that do this automatically. they also take all money at odds that allow them to arb with "mother" .com. since they pay no commission to each other they can arb even 1 tick, making impossible for users to match orders, but force them to take the odds they offer. so the whole betfair is an arbing bot disguised as exchange, and they even take 4.5% commission. also, they manipulate the market in many different ways that someone who has no experience can't notice.
in these conditions where the competition can do all kind of illegal shit while we are absolutely non-protected by useless "gaming control boards", i'm sure you understand if i'm not motivated to share my (already shrinking) edge with others.
(i apologize for the long post but i wanted to explain the details behind my point of view)
- Ste
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sure, the betfair bots can do what they want, it's their market.
if you have money first in line at 1.5 and they want to match at that price, they pretend they are matching on the other side at 3.0 money that was in line before.
they call it "cross matching" but it's just their bot scalping against you or arbing.
other 2 things i noticed:
- the betfair server knows when a bet is coming in the market, so if the bot wants to match it, it places exactly the same stake at the same price just a moment before, while we others all have the seconds of delay. i noticed this countless times, especially in low liquidity markets.
on betfair in my country, they put fake matched liquidity at wrong odds, to fool the punters who dont know the real odds.
example: in some less important match you see thousands and thousands matched between 1.10 and 1.20 while the real odds are 1.60.
if you try to lay it suddenly stops, it's obviously the betfair traders trying to confuse the punters and get someone to back so low so they can lay it.
this is obvious market manipulation, in the stock market people go to prison for this shit, but in betting exchange it seems everything is allowed
if you have money first in line at 1.5 and they want to match at that price, they pretend they are matching on the other side at 3.0 money that was in line before.
they call it "cross matching" but it's just their bot scalping against you or arbing.
other 2 things i noticed:
- the betfair server knows when a bet is coming in the market, so if the bot wants to match it, it places exactly the same stake at the same price just a moment before, while we others all have the seconds of delay. i noticed this countless times, especially in low liquidity markets.
on betfair in my country, they put fake matched liquidity at wrong odds, to fool the punters who dont know the real odds.
example: in some less important match you see thousands and thousands matched between 1.10 and 1.20 while the real odds are 1.60.
if you try to lay it suddenly stops, it's obviously the betfair traders trying to confuse the punters and get someone to back so low so they can lay it.
this is obvious market manipulation, in the stock market people go to prison for this shit, but in betting exchange it seems everything is allowed
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which country is that if you dont mind me askingSte wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 2:58 pmsure, the betfair bots can do what they want, it's their market.
if you have money first in line at 1.5 and they want to match at that price, they pretend they are matching on the other side at 3.0 money that was in line before.
they call it "cross matching" but it's just their bot scalping against you or arbing.
other 2 things i noticed:
- the betfair server knows when a bet is coming in the market, so if the bot wants to match it, it places exactly the same stake at the same price just a moment before, while we others all have the seconds of delay. i noticed this countless times, especially in low liquidity markets.
on betfair in my country, they put fake matched liquidity at wrong odds, to fool the punters who dont know the real odds.
example: in some less important match you see thousands and thousands matched between 1.10 and 1.20 while the real odds are 1.60.
if you try to lay it suddenly stops, it's obviously the betfair traders trying to confuse the punters and get someone to back so low so they can lay it.
this is obvious market manipulation, in the stock market people go to prison for this shit, but in betting exchange it seems everything is allowed
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axelT
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I visit Italy often as I have friends and relatives there. I have used betfair.it in the past and I wasn't impressed with the liquidity but I wasn't aware of those issues you mention.. I guess I have not spent enough time on it to notice. You said earlier something about a famous bookie that has AAMS license and is delaying paying your winnings, let me guess its 1Xbet?
- Ste
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the italian betfair became so disgusting since 1 year more or less, it always has been a mega arbing bot, but in the past at least there was no market manipulation, no unfair shit like bots operating in-play without delay, in-house traders playing against their own customers etc.
(i noticed one of their bots started using exactly one of the strategies i used when things were normal, i have the doubt they copied it from me but maybe i'm being paranoid. anyway the bots operating without the seconds of delay killed my strategy)
no, after i have read other users had so many problems, i keep far from 1xbet.
it's Unibet who is not letting me withdraw. every time i try they tell me there's something wrong with paypal and they're working to fix it (since 1 week already) and i cant withdraw with other methods cause i didnt use them to deposit)
(i noticed one of their bots started using exactly one of the strategies i used when things were normal, i have the doubt they copied it from me but maybe i'm being paranoid. anyway the bots operating without the seconds of delay killed my strategy)
no, after i have read other users had so many problems, i keep far from 1xbet.
it's Unibet who is not letting me withdraw. every time i try they tell me there's something wrong with paypal and they're working to fix it (since 1 week already) and i cant withdraw with other methods cause i didnt use them to deposit)
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