Arbusers

I would like to say some words as far as it concerns the recent merge (let me say) of oddstorm and surebet monitor.
Mike's surebetmonitor has his reasons to stop offering his services as we know them.
I prefer Mike to stay in the business, even under a diferent logo, than let him go.
Guys, lets be realistic here. Arbing and trading is indeed getting harder day by day. We cant afford to lose anyone who might come up with a good idea. Mike had several good ideas in the past, no matter if his service didnt work the way that he and the community would like to see.
As far as it concerns oddstorm live betting, please take a look at my review dated Feb 7th 2013
http://arbusers.com/index.php/topic,1038.0.html
It clearly says: 2. Oddstorm is having an advantage against the other services when it comes to live betting arbing. I know these are risky things, but many of you are playing like this.

The info was/is there. It is up to you if you are able to take advantage of the feed that i give you.

surebetmonitor, last week you cited the diabolical state of arbing for closing down your alert service, soft bookie quick limits, bwin charges, funds being confiscated, etc etc everything has now changed, the soft bookies won't limit quickly any more, no more confication of funds ever, and bwin have decided not to charge for skrill withdrawals anymore, what a difference a week makes

This is getting boring indeed, but let me post one more answer so that arbers could clearly understand what is the basic logic behind our moves

Perhaps it was a bit too complicated to see a broad picture for you. YES in my eyes pre-match arbing is getting more and more tough, I think this is not exclusively my point of view

Also supporting pre-match betting product is on the edge of profitability, and I do not see much potential for improvement here. Others might disagree, its fine.

Contrary, live-betting is expanding worldwide and therefore opens a field for further development also the arbitrage part of it. Therefore we will promote live-arbing (and the new series of articles is about LIVE-arbing, not about pre-match arbitrage that we supported in surebet monitor.

So yep, basically we are switching gears to live-markets and yes, we will promote oddstorm's product for live, and again yes we will perhaps come up with some free pre-match arbitrage product that will require little maintainance, thanks to the cooperation with oddstorm. And again yes this cooperation may result with faster developments of other, mutual products.

Hope this clarifies the situation for the others.

Anyone who needs an alert service to find live arbs should not be arbing in the first place. By the time you are directed to the bookmaker the odds will have changed.

I read one of sbm articles on live betting and I couldn't disagree more with it.

2. Diversity of betting markets for a discipline of interest
The easy equation goes like this: the more the markets, the more the odds. The more the odds, the higher the probability one will find some arbs. That is why one should not expect a lot of action when secondary sports like volleyball or snooker are involved. Also secondary basketball, tennis or football events with just one Asian handicap or over/under line will not produce lots of arbs. The general rule is looking for a big, very big events in soccer, tennis and basketball.


There's arbs anywhere and everywhere and I've found massive arbs in what they call secondary sports. I didn't bother reading any of the rest.

I also find it odd like bri999 that sbm has jumped on the oddstorm bandwagon a week after saying arbing was dead, but then again nothing surprises me as sbm also came out in support of yobetit the world's 1st arbitrage bookmaker and they have failed to deliver for a year and are now supposed to be a trading platform. Anyone with an ounce of sense and any experience in arbitrage would know an arbitrage bookmaker/ the yobetit business model was absolute rubbish. I can only think sbm and also rebel betting supported yobetit to begin with due to being paid to do so.

I just read a few of the previous posts.

So, a week after surebet monitor themselves said "live surebet detectors are hardly usable...", which is true, they are now "supporting oddstorm's product for live".



I'm out of this discussion, bye guys.

Interesting thread here. My view:

- Mike's marketing tactics are without doubt quite bad. There is a contradiction between what he said last week in an effort to justify the closure of surebet monitor and what he now claims in an effort to support his new partnership.

- The failure of his product isn't something extraordinary in the market. It was once a very good service which I used myself. Probably it lacked the proper support from some point and eventually faded. If he is refunding remaining subscriptions, I don't see anything wrong there. 

- As for the partnership with oddstorm, I don't see any fraud nor should be judged as a con man or something like that. He didn't try to sell something that doesn't exist. I don't give a dime what is his personal motive and he didn't force me (or anyone else) to pay him or order a subscription in order to provide these "advices" for live betting. In fact, oddstorm is a decent service and if mike's experience or resources contributes in improving it even by 1%, I would be more than happy.

- The articles at sbm blog are exceptional in every aspect for newbies. If you read them carefully and have some ability, you can eventually evolve into a skillful arber. At the same time, I don't feel that they are directed to an experienced arber. So they shouldn't be judged from that point of view. Personally, I had a great help in my first steps as arber from his articles, although I operate now in a completely different -personalised- way. Also, from these things he wrote about live betting, I don't feel threatened in any way. These are only some basics that could help someone to his first steps in live arbing. Still, the distance for his "reader" to become a serious competitor to a skillful arber would be very-very long. Can everyone that reads some law books become a successful lawyer? 

whats up with all the drama ... was it slow night for arbing on friday .. ??

bri999 wrote:

sportoboy wrote:
-  Can everyone that reads some law books become a successful lawyer?  

so we are on a par with lawyers sportoboy? delusions of grandeur, don't fool yourself that because you are making good money at arbing that you are someone special, only a small percentage of the population can be lawyers, a far bigger percentage can be arbers, I have no qualifications whatsoever yet I am a successful arber, arbing is the greatest way for people to make earnings which far exceed and are disproportionate to what they'd earn in a "regular" job, the surebetmonitor guy knows this, all his articles are about tapping into this and then to "profit" from these people, your skills are making you good money just now sportoboy, will that be the case when someone new to arbing learns exactly as you have and does exactly what you do and 2 people and 3 people and more placing the same bets at the same time with the same bookmaker? don't be fooled into thinking that what you are doing is unique, you thought of it after all, and you're no lawyer.

Actually, I am a lawyer (no joke), but I don't practice it all cause at least in my country I can earn far more as an arber than as lawyer. Only some lawyers who are connected with government and certain lobbies can top that.

So, after some very hard exams to enter the law school, some more years of extended studying during law school and a few years practicing the law, I ensure you that arbing is the most special thing I did in my life, cause it already secured the money that I would probably earn in a lifetime as a lawyer. So, I don't really worry for the future. Of course, for that to happen I didn't rely only to the basics that everyone can do after a few articles like those of surebetmonitor. I had to apply my own tactics and skills and go through this long way. I don't think that everyone has the ability to do it and yes I feel unique and special and I consider special anyone who can achieve a certain level in arbing. And if someone else reaches my level and I haven't advanced to the next levels, then I don't deserve to earn the money I earn.

Don't underestimate yourself just because you don't have "qualifications". It's a stereotype. If you are a sucessful arber, you are overqualified.

Arbusers wrote a very inspired post some time ago, with which I agree 100%: http://arbusers.com/index.php/topic,956.msg9401.html#msg9401

bachz wrote: I would like to ask you sportboy, where are you from ? when as a lawyer you had such bad salary. thanks

Just search some of my older posts and you will find out.

Btw, my "salary" as a lawyer wouldn't be bad at all.  ;)

in which country bwin company dont have a limit at new open account???

freenow wrote: in which country bwin company dont have a limit at new open account???

Afghanistan 

In your opinion, what are the best bookies to live arb? I used to bet on bet365, on high odds @10-20 normally and when the game was finishing( 75-85 min). Does anyone know another bookie that offers similar odds to bet365?