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Re: Neteller new verification (selfie / net+ card)

Sat May 06, 2017 9:03 pm

I have a question, well a suggestion instead.
Let's ask the officer who will be checking our selfie ID, also for his or her Selfie ID.
I think that will be a fair play.

I talked to a lawyer, and he told me, if they are targeting EU country, as a customer, we should be treated under our local countries law's, and not some fabulous Terms and Conditions. It is against privacy to ask selfie as a way of verification. Also a GPS, what about a traveler? Traveler will not be able to bet, because he is not stick to his chair to which he or she is usually farting on ? On what ground or law would anyone ask for my location ? For GOD'S SAKE WE ARE IN  THE FREE EUROPE, and not in a GPS's stick to your chair or what ever.

It seems that many bookies along with paysafe group are behaving like Oligopoly. Also, I am aware of the fact, that these companies are privately owned. But my money is also privately owned and as an old customer, if I did not sign/tick exactly the "I will send photo of my face holding my ID next to it" - I have no obligation to send it.They can come to my house, and I will SHOT my id, but not send any selfie of any kind.

If many, really many customers will stick to their opinion and will not send, they can go f. themselves. For now, I mean NT, and any other fabulous bookies.

For example, there is one bookie I sent my selfie to, they told me my ID is fake. MGA confirmed the bookie. My lawyer will contact them soon. (it is very interesting, that the bookie does not have licence, so they are operating here illegally, my country)  But I will not spam with off-topic here, just a suggestion - let's ask them for selfie too, so we can "trust" them.

I do not have any kind of Facebook, instagram, never took selfie for the Internet, nor will for anyone, it is against my privacy policy.
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Re: Neteller new verification (selfie / net+ card)

Sun May 07, 2017 11:19 am

Excellent post.
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Re: Neteller new verification (selfie / net+ card)

Sun May 07, 2017 12:57 pm

You are always free "not" to use those bookies...just as you are free to choose your bank.
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Re: Neteller new verification (selfie / net+ card)

Sun May 07, 2017 2:14 pm

Alfa, the problem is, if majority slave (oposite of master) minded customer will say yes to anything and everything, we will have second 1945 here, where they could shoot you once you run against the fence.. I mean - in my country, all banks (same as gas prices) have same fee policy, people don't care, because it's "just a 5 eur per month", in the mean time, they dont give a shit about banning cash, because only mafia uses cash, right? (see italy and 999eur limit on cash transactions). Blind customers, who say yes, even if it is humiliating or what ever makes it harder to live for other people, who care for their privacy.

But yes - I can live without banks, I have no bank account, I have a land, water, house (I did build with my own hands, with no knowledge and with higher quality than any on/off-shore company). i do not need banks, banks needs me. I can live without cash forever, but the system would collapse, if there would be more people like me. That is, at least II believe, is called independence. I have no smartphone either, because they are unreliable (touch screen crap).

Anyway - this is in my opinion a political game. Let's see how much customer takes. Selfie.. what a great idea.. let's try a selfie in thongs  the customer did buy, just in case she or he is not using it improper way. Later on we will require a full background check once you enter a hospital, just because you might be a terrorist, oh wait, you can not enter without having your ID and sending selfie first...

But in short, yes, I do not gamble with anyone who is asking my selfie.  Also, my very genuine friends (those who have no idea i am a gambler/arber) wanted to sign up, and since some bookies ask so much information, they refused to sign in. When I asked them, if they would send a selfie to verify them selves, they laughed, that is must be a joke. They have no idea what arbing or bonus hunting means.  They are simple people, who work 9-5 (or night shifts) and simply like to bet 10-50euros on their favorites.  Of course they want to beat the bookie and win, but I doubt the math or luck would go in their favor. And sure, in 2025 there will be a selfie verification before accepting each bet above 10 eur, just in case..You would also have to have the same haircut as on the ID card, because if not, then the winning bet will be void, losing will be settled as losing.

Someone calls is standard (when banks have fees), but I see a Cartel (gas price same on 1/1000th of euro per litre on each and every gas station along my 300km route? what a co incidence!). Anyway, I do not gamble anymore, just from time to time I open my Pinnale. I have a lot more profitable, and hassle free income, where no one can blackmail me with selfies and so on. Or with no pay. So this all is just my opinion.
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Re: Neteller new verification (selfie / net+ card)

Sun May 07, 2017 3:52 pm

you mention Italy AI45 so I am sure you are familiar with the words......."when in Rome do as the Romans do"

if you want to make money in the ways discussed in this forum then you have to accept these rules
from bookmakers/ewallets/banks or whoever and react accordingly.

long winded rants on here is just wasting your time, we don't make the rules, they do and then our job
is to make money with these rules using our skills.

you will probably think about another long reply to this...but stop and think beforehand because I am right!
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Re: Neteller new verification (selfie / net+ card)

Sun May 07, 2017 7:30 pm

Al45 wrote: house (I did build with my own hands, with no knowledge and with higher quality than any on/off-shore company)
right, Bob the Builder joined the forum
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Re: Neteller new verification (selfie / net+ card)

Sun May 07, 2017 9:48 pm

Its intresting topic.
I had issue last month
My local bookie entered my jurisdiction(got licence)
I played there got limited. I played regularly some casino promos
So last month i did small withdrawal ( i had done KYC and  a few ones and no problems)
I had done several deposits with lots of methods(credit card,bank account, e-wallets)
In some points for me they asked too much information. Credit cards which was already closed, bank statements etc. BTW i had never bullied my home bookies  and also had no problems. Usually they asked id+smth and thats ok
I sense somehow that they want to "play" with me. And that bookie is my playground! Its licenced to my country+i know sort of owners+i know their office
And i thought that i want to "play" with them
I have 3 option
a) i communicate directly with active owner and have some philosophical conversation b)I communicate institutions who give licence or c)I can harm them by locally. I know gamblers and advantage gambler is god to them and spread some word about withdrawals

And after all i gave up. What i achive? Im just whining gambler. They can always say to the audience that they need regulated information and other bullshit
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Re: Neteller new verification (selfie / net+ card)

Thu May 11, 2017 2:03 am

I guess, that more then 50% of accounts in Nettler are owned by arbers, so they wont likely follow new verification procedure as they are operating more then one account usually..
Other accounts are restriced countrys, that can not use bank account or cards directly, but there are also other options.

It is simple as that, the more information they require and the longer verification process take , then the less users will use their service and with recent NETTLER steps I guess that they will be soon out of bussiness or having big icome lose ... It was not very smart from them to do this steps without even considering who are users who use their service and how most of people behave when some service is asking for too much informations..
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Re: Neteller new verification (selfie / net+ card)

Thu May 11, 2017 6:54 am

Shme1934 wrote: I guess, that more then 50% of accounts in Nettler are owned by arbers
This is a wrong assumpsion.
Shme1934 wrote: I guess that they will be soon out of bussiness or having big icome lose
No question about it they will lose some profits. But here, we need to see the broader picture. C level managers are worrying about future fines. You see the fines that UK and German banks are required to pay for...whatever reasons...but most of them are because of money laundering accusations. So put your self in their position. Pay a 1-5-7 billion fine in the future, or lose 100 millions now? The figures are hypothetical.
Personally, I alerted many actors in the payments industry, that players are their clients and not merchants. Lower level managers understand that completely, but higher level managers have a different opinion. Also, I alerted them that Hawala systems will in the end damage everyone.
Just FYI, these last years much of their profits come from the use of debit cards, purchases in shops, deposits, withdrawals from ATMs etc. Gambling action is taking a smaller piece of the pie each year.
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Re: Neteller new verification (selfie / net+ card)

Thu May 11, 2017 11:46 am

I do not understand who would use them to get money from ATM, if you can just use your regular card and it will be most likely cheaper or free...
Yeah money loudering protection could be true. But look for example at BTC debit cards , they only ask for ID and proof of residency. No selfies, no GPS tracking or other things.. and money loudering using BTC is much easier... so my point is that nettler still asking for too much unecessary information. If other services which work almost same way does not ask for them, so why would Nettler ask then?
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Re: Neteller new verification (selfie / net+ card)

Thu May 11, 2017 1:17 pm

I'm no expert in money laundering rules and the regulations that financial institutions must comply with, but it might be that the rules are somewhat vague, not precise enough, and it comes down to each institution's interpretation of the law. For example, Neteller may think they need to check so much information (as they are overly cautious about compliance), while e.g. Ecopayz think they can get away with checking less info. On the other hand, Neteller think they can get away with operating in countries where online gambling is severely restricted, while Ecopayz are much more careful and stay out of these countries altogether. Two companies that provide essentially the same service, but so different in their approaches on multiple levels.
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Re: Neteller new verification (selfie / net+ card)

Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:15 pm

It seems I am in big trouble but still hoping anybody here has the "magic bullet":

So I was operating a few Bangladesh bet365 accounts incl. Skrill. I have realized I still have a balance on some of these fully verified Skrill accounts. After I could not send any funds anymore, I started doing some withdrawals. Some of them went through and for some of them Skrill asked for additional verification after locking my account.

So now they want an ADDITIONAL verification with netverify and obviously I cannot comply.

Is this game over and my Skrill funds are lost? Or is there any way to retrieve these funds? Your experience and help is much appreciated.
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Re: Neteller new verification (selfie / net+ card)

Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:45 pm

When multiaccounting I guess you takes your chances.  Its a game sometimes you win sometimes you get caught lol
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Re: Neteller new verification (selfie / net+ card)

Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:23 am

aycaramba wrote:
So now they want an ADDITIONAL verification with netverify and obviously I cannot comply.
Can you elaborate more on ADDITIONAL verification ? What do they ask for ?
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Re: Neteller new verification (selfie / net+ card)

Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:48 pm

Yes, I'm aware of the game I'm playing but at least I want to play it to the very end, hence my question if anybody has some additional tips?

Additional verification refers to Selfie holding ID

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