Arbusers

I want to ask if you know how long can last an investigation in Orbit and Betfair ?

What are the reasons ? When it Resolve, it’s majority for the players or for the company itself ?

It’s something new or it has been happening since many years ?

That can happen in a specified account ? On a match ?

I try to understand.

Thank you

Maxime wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:43 am

I want to ask if you know how long can last an investigation in Orbit and Betfair ?

What are the reasons ? When it Resolve, it’s majority for the players or for the company itself ?

It’s something new or it has been happening since many years ?

That can happen in a specified account ? On a match ?

Let's take your questions one by one.

There is no time frame for Betfair to finish any investigation. We have seen investigations taking place in a couple-three days, and investigations going on for years. The more complex a situation is, the longer the investigation. For example, when a fixed game is flagged, authorities are requesting for a ton of info and data to see who is enabled and in which ways that game was fixed.
In addition to that, Betfair would like to discourage all these mafia people by implementing the DDD tactic as described in our forum several times.

Fixed games and fund passing are mostly the reasons Betfair would start any investigation. There is a lot of bad will around anyone who is fixing a game or practice fund passing, so I can understand Betfair going to extremes.

I have seen 100s of investigations by Betfair, I must say they are fair in what they do. Maybe they were wrong once or twice, but after concrete data came to surface they returned funds to the players. Of course, if they determine that no bad will action is there, they return the money to the account owners.

These things are taking place for some 10-20 years, but lately more and more people started to believe they can manipulate things. Maybe they think they are smarter than authorities or Betfair, and some times they might be right, but most of the times they are wrong.

And yes, you use Betfair to bet on matches.

Here is the article on the DDD tactic: the-ddd-tactic-and-how-to-avoid-being-m ... tic#p87841

Thank you very much for your response. It’s very appreciated.

I have an other one. When they make an investigation following a match. Not an account specifically but all the accounts who match bets on a specific match.

I understand they have a reason to do it. But when your’e just involve in that kind of investigation but you have nothing that justified that your account to be checked and your money to be freeze. Your’e just involve in the massive investigation.

And that take more than a month and you have no updates, do you have legal thing to do that can help your cause to just get your money back ?

They can do this kind of investigation ?

Thank you in advance if you have an answer.

Fraudsters move in mysterious ways and that forces the other sides to move in mysterious ways too.
When a game is flagged by various authorities as highly corrupted it is logic to assume that innocent players will be caught in the nets. Especially arbers and value bettors who are very sensitive to odds changes will be tempted to jump in events like these, because the alert services will show them these events. However, an experienced arber/trader/value bettor knows exactly what is going on when the lines become ridiculous. Football and tennis are very much suspicious games and practice shows these are the games fraudsters prefer to manipulate the most, for obvious reasons.
The innocent accounts that were caught in the nets have to wait until the end of any investigation. We have seen cases when Betfair releases all funds but not the funds enabled in the corrupted games. And we have seen cases where Betfair ''sanitises'' all balances of the enabled accounts. We can never be sure about the way they think, but most probably more corruption brings in more measures.

In the end, how would you defend your self from situations like this? There is a Russian proverb saying ''Only the cheese in the mousetrap is free''. I am using a Russian proverb because much of the games fixing starts from Russia and xCIS countries. Of course I am not defending countries like xYugoslavia, Turkey, even Italy and Greece with a criminal record in fixing games. What you could do, is leave the cheese in the mousetrap alone. Don't touch it. Again tennis and football are both very suspicious, so any arb of 10% to 80% will cause you pain. Stay within logic greed limits and you will be fine.

We weren't born yesterday, we have experience of 20 years in smart betting and we are very much suspicious when we see self proclaimed innocent people accusing Betfair, Orbit, Agents etc. On line forums have been used as character assassination tools and they are still used. Not our forum, not arbusers. At the same time we do not want to shut innocent people who got caught in the nets of an investigation, and therefore we have in place our own policy for complaints.

If your question is about legal action against an exchange or a bookmaker, you should read our article first: how-to-take-legal-action-against-a-bookmaker-t7184/ Of course you can start the process at any time, but some processes might be invalidated by others. Maybe protecting the game, is more important than protecting an account. Any serious court body would think like that and would determine that you should wait until the investigation finishes. Again, they move in mysterious ways and Justice also moves in mysterious ways.

One think you could always do, is use our referral links to register your accounts. In cases like that we contact the agents and we have a better picture of what is going on. Of course we are not above the law and we are always with the side that has the right. In cases like this we would most probably ask you to wait for the investigation to finish, but before that, remember... only the cheese in the mousetrap is free.

Thank you very much for your response.

In the way that an account on Orbit is suspended for an investigation.

It is safe to open an account with an other broker ?

First of all, it is legal to it ?

Is it safe to put money in it ?

Does Orbit or Betfair check the ip adress of their account ?

Thank you again

Maxime wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:29 pm

It is safe to open an account with an other broker ?

First of all, it is legal to it ?

Is it safe to put money in it ?

Does Orbit or Betfair check the ip adress of their account ?

Let's take your questions one by one.

In general, it is safe to use several Orbit accounts provided from various brokers. That is OK with all of them. But in your case, your account is flagged and under investigation. So until you are all cleared it is not safe to use another account from another broker. Have in mind that Betfair is excellent in profiling accounts, and they will know exactly who the owner is after a couple-three bets of yours. Don't do it now.

Under your circumstances, it is not safe to deposit at Orbit or Betfair. Wait for the clearence.

Yes, they do check IP addresses, but this is not the only thing they check. Again, Betfair went far away in profiling accounts and they will find you no matter how you mask your actions.

Thank you very much

You have answers all my question.

I’m just been involve in a match investigation and nothing happen since the start of the investigation one month ago. No updates.

My account is suspended with all my balance.

I hope they will give me updates soon.

Thank you

Keep us updated too, as we all learn from these cases.

Can you tell what match that was?

The match is :

Tennis

Meerbusch Challenger 2022- Milojevic v Moraing (11/08/2022)

Maxime wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:33 pm

The match is :

Tennis

Meerbusch Challenger 2022- Milojevic v Moraing (11/08/2022)

You probably know why is that match under investigation.

Ehhhh no

Tell me because I don’t know.

Maxime wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:24 am

Ehhhh no

Tell me because I don’t know.

That match was clearly fixed. It's not the first time Milojevic does that.

Jesse Baxter wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:06 am

Maxime wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:24 am

Ehhhh no

Tell me because I don’t know.

That match was clearly fixed. It's not the first time Milojevic does that.

Exactly