Arbusers

arbusers wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:54 am

What would that volume be?

A 250-300K monthly turn over is difficult to be achieved these days.

Unless someone wants to have near real-time Pinnacle odds, there is no reason to have such low refresh rates as 5 seconds, especially when it is very difficult to maintain an edge over such a large turnover - it would simply cost too much for most players. Bet placing through the API though is always instant and is not related to refreshing rates, contrary to a common misconception that refresh rates affect bet placing speed.

Even if someone wants quickly updated Pinnacle prices there are more efficient ways than using directly the Pinnacle API. For example, we do intend to offer publicly our fixtures and markets database at smartbet.io that includes prices from Pinnacle, bet365, and many more books, updated with a maximum delay of 1 second, as close to real-time as possible.

Meise wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 09, 2021 3:09 pm

A 250-300K monthly turn over is difficult to be achieved these days.

I guess it depends on which sport(s) you are betting on and/or how large and how generalized is your edge in a given sport.

Unless someone wants to have near real-time Pinnacle odds, there is no reason to have such low refresh rates as 5 seconds, especially when it is very difficult to maintain an edge over such a large turnover - it would simply cost too much for most players. Bet placing through the API though is always instant and is not related to refreshing rates, contrary to a common misconception that refresh rates affect bet placing speed.

I don't know if this was addressed to me but:
- Getting near real-time Pinnacle odds is critical for me; most of my edge would disappear if the refresh rate is too slow and the odds are delayed (and yes, I have actually tested this over a very large sample). There must be a good reason why I took the trouble to program my own API access...
- "it is very difficult to maintain an edge over such a large turnover": see my very first point above.
- I have never written that refresh rates affect bet placing speed.

Even if someone wants quickly updated Pinnacle prices there are more efficient ways than using directly the Pinnacle API. For example, we do intend to offer publicly our fixtures and markets database at smartbet.io that includes prices from Pinnacle, bet365, and many more books, updated with a maximum delay of 1 second, as close to real-time as possible.

Maybe, maybe not. Either way, I'm doing fine without smartbet.io, thank you. Not saying that I would never use your services, either, but there's nothing like having built one's own system.

tango wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:52 am

Unless someone wants to have near real-time Pinnacle odds, there is no reason to have such low refresh rates as 5 seconds, especially when it is very difficult to maintain an edge over such a large turnover - it would simply cost too much for most players. Bet placing through the API though is always instant and is not related to refreshing rates, contrary to a common misconception that refresh rates affect bet placing speed.

Even if someone wants quickly updated Pinnacle prices there are more efficient ways than using directly the Pinnacle API. For example, we do intend to offer publicly our fixtures and markets database at smartbet.io that includes prices from Pinnacle, bet365, and many more books, updated with a maximum delay of 1 second, as close to real-time as possible. This can be used by anyone interested to build their own algorithms based on real-time market data, similar to our auto-sources that will be launched later this month (super fast arb/value detection with an option to place corresponding bets automatically).

tango wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:25 pm

We are in the last stages of development of our scrapers that among other books will include reliable, real-time market data from Pinnacle(ps3838) and bet365. We did expect to have this ready earlier but bet365 have been constantly updating their anti-scraping security and there are many technical challenges involved.

Initially, we will use this data to offer our "Auto Sources", which are arb scanners on user-defined filters such as arb profit margin, odds level, market liquidity, sports, etc.

At a later stage, we do plan to offer these data sets through an API so that anyone can program their own custom logic.

Meise wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 13, 2023 2:10 pm

I just want to comment on this (not the first time I see this erroneous statement on Arbusers' forum):

"Pinnacle no longer supports APIs to regular customers"

This is not true. As a regular customer, I used Pinnacle's API for all my betting until September 2021*. Now it is possible that new customers were not allowed to use the API (I don't know for sure), but it was still supported for established customers as long as the betting volume was adequate and the API was used responsibly.

*The reason why it stopped in September has nothing to do with the API; Pinnacle recently ceased operating in my country.