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Re: Pinnacle results

Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:22 am

Why do you argue guys?
Maybe some guys really find some markets on pinnacle that have soft odds and sharp odds on soft bookie. So some guys will be in profit with pinnacle in a long run (I know a guy on this website that makes value betting on pinnacle)
But what I know for sure is, if I open betburger and I select to arbs between pinacle vs soft bookies, I will make money on soft bookies on a long term. THIS IS A FACT! It can’t go the other way. I make my income also form this kind of betting. I make thousands of bets per week (in the top season). Do not ask how I do it because I am not here for this reason, and I am not here to show printscrens.
You can also arb between sharp bookies, but which side is value I do not know.
Like I see one guy is asking : “ if you find odds out of market for yesterday euro 2016 matches for Austria win 1.80, and Portugal win 1.60, what would you do ?«
This guy doesn’t deserve to be on this forum. FACT! He doesn’t understand the basic mathematic. FACT!  He doesn’t understand about what kind of value betting people are talking here. FACT!  This guy would not take even odd 1000 for Portugal, because he knew that Portugal is not going to win. It is also possible that this guy is a visionary who hit 100% of his predictions, because he can travel in future or he may have some super powers to see in the future. He can be too mach smart for this forum  or too slow. But the odds that this kind of person exist and that he/she/it arrive on this forum are almost infinitive. Does anyone have idea what the odds would be, that such a person exist?
Why do you think arbuser open a topic value betting?
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Re: Pinnacle results

Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:48 am

Various indicators signal a multiple forum profile.
Guys, I suggest you all calm down.
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Re: Pinnacle results

Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:15 pm

fairpunter like I told you before you may be to smart for this forum. I think it seriously without sarcasm!! I know that I am not the smartest guy here. With every arber that I spoke he agree with me about value betting (guys making 50k/mouth-very smart people I suppose), Maybe you just know something that others don’t know about value betting. Or you just wish to manipulate people(and I applaud to that, because less people will do value betting, so less pressure on the same odds that I put my money on). The truth how good you are can only tell you, your profit made thru betting.
If you would not take odd 1000 for Portugal(vs Iceland) before the match began, you are sure special guy, that almost no one understands on this forum. You would be correct not to take Portugal, so I can’t say that you are wrong :) So I give you a challenge. Make your predictions on a public forum, just for fun, to prove that people here are slow ;) 
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Re: Pinnacle results

Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:38 pm

it's funny how you say you have a degree in maths, but at the same time you don't understand the basics of statistics and probabilities..
I did take Portugal, and I also took Panama not to score, and I lost both bets. Does that mean that value betting does not work?
An overvalued favorite is not the same as a sure victory. Nevertheless, as Alfa said, it is about being ahead of the market over a long period of time.
You need to understand that you will not win every single bet, you can even lose most bets and make a profit anyways. It is about getting the extra juice and playing the role of the bookmaker.
The easiest way for you to understand this is with the case of Profgambler, even if he uses such a small market which he can manipulate. He says he opens a position at a local soft bookie, then moves the line at pinnacle, and closes at soft once again, once they update. Why do you think that the soft side would take a negative balance in their book, rather than going against pinnacle's odds? why do you think it is possible for this very clever guy, who does not even know the basics of his betting strategy, to make a profit just by moving the line at pinnacle? is it even worth to keep arguing about this? is 1+1 not really 2?
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Re: Pinnacle results

Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:07 pm

"I have math degrees mate"
And yet you show an example of a 2 game result in soccer where you would of lost as if that proves your point.
I am doubting your "degrees" ever dug into variance.

" If you find odds of coin toss market where chances are 50: 50 for heads win 2.1 what would you do?"

Very Nice. Well Lukas if you have common sense and a basic understanding of math you'd set up a BR and manage that BR to where you could endure the swings to make a long term profit......

BUT if you have a math degree I guess you would make 2 or 3 bets and if you lose then tell everyone how the idea is awful.

" Congratulation guys, you are a believers of a Big Lie"

Whatever you do don't look in the other threads where others have done value betting.
You may actually learn something.
Once again this quote seems to fit nicely here.................


"A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions."
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Re: Pinnacle results

Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:55 pm

Fact no1 im not a tipster im just sharing just a tiny piece of my work.
Fact no2 soft vs pinnacle(whatever asian) pinnacle will win your money 1.2m turnover means much with 500e bets not much with 20000e bets, i also bet about 275k at pinnacle per month and so far this year im significantly when im straight betting (call it gambling i don't care) i have lost 5 times that amount over 4 years of arbing.
Fact no3 noone can achieve more than 60%(not even you would be a very happy man with 55%) do you know what that means? YOU LOOSE 40 GAMES OUT OF 100 GET USED TO IT. Taking barcelona @ 3 vs granada to win doesn't make barcelona more likely to win it is just making bigger the payday or minimize your risk. So GET IT IN YOUR MIND you will not win more if you valuebet (with whatever way) you will just make more than you lose, but it is a mathematical certainty that you will
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Re: Pinnacle results

Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:09 am

Data don't lie but people do Lie and lie more when they are asked to give proof and try to insult other because they don't have any argument or proof. Following is my data for last 2 months. I wish I could present data for last 6 months but my laptop was stolen and I lost all my data.

                Total Wagered   Profit/Loss

11-Apr-16 $32,338.50 $6,830.09
17-Apr-16 $42,412.01 $(3,086.83)
25-Apr-16 $19,832.77 $(8,542.67)
2-May-16         $22,817.17 $(1,524.06)
9-May-16         $34,242.63 $6,044.61
15-May-16 $33,605.33 $(3,142.02)
23-May-16 $25,289.81 $(4,852.47)
1-Jun-16         $35,326.48 $5,338.98
14-Jun-16 $70,484.00 $21,894.16

                $316,348.70 $18,959.79

In last 2 months with betting volume of $316k on Pinnacle, I am in profit of $19k in Pinnacle. If I have listen some people here, I would have lost substantial chunk on my bankroll.

As I said before, I will keep posting my result every week for people who believe that you will always lose on sharp books. My experience is totally different from last 6 months as I am always up on Pinnacle.

But one thing I want to clarify that 90% of my arbs are between Pinnacle and a softbook who has presence in Australia through Shops. As I can't place online bets on softbook so I have to rely on sharbing.
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Re: Pinnacle results

Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:36 am

How can you still not get the non-existent correlation between what you do and value betting.
Someone could have placed 30K on odds of 11 and make 300K in a single night. Does that mean that he got extra value? Does that mean that if he won this bet while other bookies were offering the line at 20, it does not matter because it's the "wheel of fortune"? if I offer you 1,2 odds on a coin toss, you place 100K and you win 20K, my position holds no value?
By the way, if I were you, i would either avoid telling out there that I move pinnacle's lines intentionally, or avoid posting my balance, at least under the same name and on a public widespread forum.. You might get a little surprise..
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Re: Pinnacle results

Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:04 am

Some people have a distorted picture of what value betting is.
http://arbusers.com/index.php/topic,1358.0.html
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Re: Pinnacle results

Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:33 am

ProfGambler wrote: Data don't lie but people do Lie and lie more when they are asked to give proof and try to insult other because they don't have any argument or proof. Following is my data for last 2 months. I wish I could present data for last 6 months but my laptop was stolen and I lost all my data.

                Total Wagered   Profit/Loss

11-Apr-16 $32,338.50 $6,830.09
17-Apr-16 $42,412.01 $(3,086.83)
25-Apr-16 $19,832.77 $(8,542.67)
2-May-16         $22,817.17 $(1,524.06)
9-May-16         $34,242.63 $6,044.61
15-May-16 $33,605.33 $(3,142.02)
23-May-16 $25,289.81 $(4,852.47)
1-Jun-16         $35,326.48 $5,338.98
14-Jun-16 $70,484.00 $21,894.16

                $316,348.70 $18,959.79

In last 2 months with betting volume of $316k on Pinnacle, I am in profit of $19k in Pinnacle. If I have listen some people here, I would have lost substantial chunk on my bankroll.

As I said before, I will keep posting my result every week for people who believe that you will always lose on sharp books. My experience is totally different from last 6 months as I am always up on Pinnacle.

But one thing I want to clarify that 90% of my arbs are between Pinnacle and a softbook who has presence in Australia through Shops. As I can't place online bets on softbook so I have to rely on sharbing.
As mentioned above, you were betting niche markets so your argument is void.  We are talking fully established, big markets with lots of liquidity.  Why do you keep insisting you are right when your point has been acknowledged and adressed above??  You will NOT, EVER get these results consistently in big markets on Pinnacle.  If you bet on Phillipino basket or volleyball games however, and are consistently basically manipulating the markets by pouring money into them...how can you possibly claim your results are representative of all of Pinny's odds if your profits there are based on manipulating the odds you bet on??  Are you deliberately ignoring the rest of the posts and trolling?
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Re: Pinnacle results

Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:41 am

Yesterday: Albania VS Romania.  Albania at 4.1.
Today you could get Swiss VS France draw at 3.4.
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Re: Pinnacle results

Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:51 am

ProfGambler wrote: Data don't lie but people do Lie and lie more when they are asked to give proof and try to insult other because they don't have any argument or proof. Following is my data for last 2 months. I wish I could present data for last 6 months but my laptop was stolen and I lost all my data.

                Total Wagered   Profit/Loss

11-Apr-16 $32,338.50 $6,830.09
17-Apr-16 $42,412.01 $(3,086.83)
25-Apr-16 $19,832.77 $(8,542.67)
2-May-16         $22,817.17 $(1,524.06)
9-May-16         $34,242.63 $6,044.61
15-May-16 $33,605.33 $(3,142.02)
23-May-16 $25,289.81 $(4,852.47)
1-Jun-16         $35,326.48 $5,338.98
14-Jun-16 $70,484.00 $21,894.16

                $316,348.70 $18,959.79

In last 2 months with betting volume of $316k on Pinnacle, I am in profit of $19k in Pinnacle. If I have listen some people here, I would have lost substantial chunk on my bankroll.

As I said before, I will keep posting my result every week for people who believe that you will always lose on sharp books. My experience is totally different from last 6 months as I am always up on Pinnacle.

But one thing I want to clarify that 90% of my arbs are between Pinnacle and a softbook who has presence in Australia through Shops. As I can't place online bets on softbook so I have to rely on sharbing.
Ifi don't  miss something badly the amounts in () are negatives right? Then your majority of profit is in 2 days span? while you have 2 monhs overall negative? Do you see the flaw?

If you were winning consistently your records would be somethig like that

4 April  52,214.37 8,216.79
11 April 58,898.89 4,751.60
18 April 73,404.53 13,188.15
25 April 34,429.05 1,293.62  
2 May 77,092.53 11,581.58
9 May 71,507.95 8,888.37
16 May 54,373.76 8,861.11
23 May 51,082.24 -465.70
30 May 51,889.25 -6,534.78
6 June 70,431.11 7,633.72
13 June 19,829.12 -1,051.22

sum  615152.8      56363.24


Obviously that's an extremely good period but it shows consistency
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Re: Pinnacle results

Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:52 pm

Alfa1234 wrote:
As mentioned above, you were betting niche markets so your argument is void.  We are talking fully established, big markets with lots of liquidity.  Why do you keep insisting you are right when your point has been acknowledged and adressed above??  You will NOT, EVER get these results consistently in big markets on Pinnacle.  If you bet on Phillipino basket or volleyball games however, and are consistently basically manipulating the markets by pouring money into them...how can you possibly claim your results are representative of all of Pinny's odds if your profits there are based on manipulating the odds you bet on??  Are you deliberately ignoring the rest of the posts and trolling?
He is 100% correct. You cannot value bet obscure leagues or markets with low limits/ low liquidity. Major leagues and high limit markets is where you will see your balance at Pinnacle decrease if you find lines that are "off". This is fact so please listen to the members who have been arbing for years giving their opinion on this matter.
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Re: Pinnacle results

Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:36 pm

Alfa1234 wrote: Yesterday: Albania VS Romania.  Albania at 4.1.
Today you could get Swiss VS France draw at 3.4.
Ca-chingggggg.  ;)
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Re: Pinnacle results

Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:00 am

pfff. what a math yesterday, i got slipped fast, even if I paced some bets, i could not resist till the end  :-X :-X :-X

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