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Re: PIWI247

Sun Jun 09, 2024 3:59 pm

If you have choice between Betfair and OrbitX, go with Betfair directly although the commission is higher. I have my account blocked at OrbitX for already 30 days and 1800 euros hold on it. They said match I had trade there is "under investigation" by Betfair which is not true at all. Betfair confirmed me that there is not such investigation by them on that match. Also, I had trade same match on Betfair directly at same time, and on Betfair everything is fine. :)

If I were you, I'd be very careful about OrbitX.
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Re: PIWI247

Sun Jun 09, 2024 4:15 pm

yes i read more post with this problem, that's why I think all white labels can be the same. My country on Betfair is a restricted country few months ago, and i search the best alternative. Matchbook, Smarkets, Betdaq is also restricted. Apart from that, I can only find the white labels, which look exactly the same, with negative reviews on the forums.
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Re: PIWI247

Mon Jun 10, 2024 10:00 pm

Lens wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2024 3:59 pm
If you have choice between Betfair and OrbitX, go with Betfair directly although the commission is higher. I have my account blocked at OrbitX for already 30 days and 1800 euros hold on it. They said match I had trade there is "under investigation" by Betfair which is not true at all. Betfair confirmed me that there is not such investigation by them on that match. Also, I had trade same match on Betfair directly at same time, and on Betfair everything is fine. :)

If I were you, I'd be very careful about OrbitX.
what match is under investigation according to Orbit?
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Re: PIWI247

Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:19 am

@hardcore I will post complaint in 2-3 days here on forum. Its Greek 2nd league football.
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Re: PIWI247

Tue Jun 11, 2024 5:12 pm

Hello, I've been looking at PIWI247 for quite a while now and I have a random question that's not related to what you are talking about on top. I recently saw on Facebook that they are / were giving 30euros for new users. Mind if I ask if this is real or a scam? The Facebook page I has a page ID of /piwi247official and it looks legit. Please let me know if it's safe to register under the link of their pinned post. Thanks!
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Re: PIWI247

Fri Jul 19, 2024 2:33 pm

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Mon Jan 02, 2023 6:25 am
It is a fact that millions of players worldwide do not have access to Betfair, Pinnacle and other well known bookmakers and exchanges. This is because of gambling regulation and tough restrictions in several countries. Nature abhors vacuum, and as a result agents and brokers started offering white labels to satisfy the needs of their clients. For years, Orbit Exchange was almost a monopoly in this field. Lately, we noticed Piwi247 making an impressive entry in the gambling ecosystem.

In our opinion, Piwi247 serves as an excellent alternative for those seeking a betting platform reminiscent of Pinnacle Sports and Betfair exchange. With its diverse features and seamless integration, users can enjoy a betting experience that aligns with their preferences. It offers the best of both worlds by having Pinnacle Solutions sportsbook and Betfair’s betting exchange in one platform! Also, it is super easy to transfer funds immediately between the sportsbook and the exchange avoiding fees, time loss, and the risks of the traditional withdrawal.

Let's have a detailed look at the most important characteristics of a Piwi247 account:

- Piwi247 is a platform offering Betfair exchange odds, Pinnacle sports odds, and a casino. We have to stress from the very beginning, Piwi247 is not identical to to Betfair, Pinnacle or Orbit. We will discuss about this soon. It is not clear to us who is providing the liquidity and the odds. We don’t know for sure if it is Betfair, Pinnacle or anyone else backing this platform. However, we noticed that odds are identical to Betfair’s and Pinnacle’s.

- Piwi’s betting exchange or (PIWIX) offers Back and Lay bets with excellent odds and huge liquidity. Bets are placed super-fast. There’s also a wide variety of sports including Greyhound Racing and Horse Racing. There is a small commission charge on winnings, but (unlike Betfair) it comes without Premium Charges. Premium Charges is a very important factor that determines the durability and the feasibility of your gambling business. Piwi247 (like Orbit exchange), managed to avoid them. This is a very strong card, because you don’t need co-owners in your business. On the other hand, it is important to stress, that not all Betfair markets are offered in Piwi247. Only the biggest markets and events are covered.

- Piwi’s sportsbook has the same odds and limits as PS3838 (a Pinnacle Sports white label) while maintaining the original interface of the original Pinnacle Sports. That means that, for the time being, Piwi247 is not covering the complete range of markets like Pinnacle Sports, but it covers the markets that PS3838 covers. Therefore it is a good substitute to Pinnacle Sports, and not the real Pinnacle Sports.

- The minimum bet accepted is 3 Euros for the Sportsbook (Pinnacle), 4 Euros for the exchange (PIWIX) and 0.10 Euros on Roulette for those who are looking for casino action. You only need 10 Euros as an initial deposit to open an account with Piwi247.

- Piwi247 exchange comes with a commission rate of just 2.5% which is much lower compared to Betfair and other white labels. Again, this is a crucial factor that determines the durability of your business.

- On the other hand, keep in mind that Piwi247 or an agent could limit your account, if they determine that you are not a profitable client.

- Piwi247 do not accept clients from a number of countries and territories, including but not limited to, the USA and the UK. Make sure your country is still accepted before starting an account with them.

- Another important factor is, that you can switch from Orbit to Piwi247 (or vice versa) if your account is restricted by any of these exchanges or agents (link to an Orbit review at the end of this post).

- It is worth mentioning that fund passers might be using Piwi247 exchange for their illegal or dubious activities. Be sure that Piwi247 and AsianConnect, will profile and scrutinise all accounts, so if you intend to do anything like this, there is a certainty that you end in tears.

For the time being, it is only AsianConnect offering Piwi247 exchange accounts but we strongly suggest having a more detailed look at agents in our portal so you get familiarised, and you compare Piwi247 with other solutions according to your needs and circumstances. Don't forget to be referred by arbusers so you get all the benefits for our members, including the cash back we secured. Not to mention being under the arbusers umbrella for peace of mind.

It goes without saying that you should check with the laws of the country that you live, work, travel of get taxed from, to see if you are within legal frames to use an agent or Piwi247.

If you are not sure which agent or exchange is better for you, contact us via PM, email or Skype. We are always here to help.

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@OP, I think PIWI247 exchange commission nowadays is 3%.
I've been there customers and there's no 2.5%
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Re: PIWI247

Fri Jul 19, 2024 3:45 pm

We contacted AsianConnect and they confirmed 3% as the commission rate these days.
The post is amended.
Thank you for pinpointing.
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Re: PIWI247

Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:21 pm

arbusers wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2024 3:45 pm
We contacted AsianConnect and they confirmed 3% as the commission rate these days.
The post is amended.
Thank you for pinpointing.
@OP, No worries!
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Re: PIWI247

Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:22 am

this was posted above: "On the other hand, keep in mind that Piwi247 or an agent could limit your account, if they determine that you are not a profitable client."

which leads to the question: what is/is not a "profitable" client to Piwi (or Orbit I imagine as well) or an agent ? If I make over a hundred bets a week on horses, with a lot of winners, maybe a slight overall balance uptick every week - are the commissions I 'provide' considered a good thing to Orbit or the agent ? Or do they (Orbit and/or agent) only consider an overall loser a 'good' customer? Someone who deposits $500, generates a lot of small commissions , but eventually falls to 0 - and then repeats that process over and over - that would seem to be the dream customer: commissions deducted, net loser, process repeated multiple times. When it's said that the advantage of Orbit or other white label BF exchanges is the avoidance of Premium Charges, don't those kick in at BF at something like $250,000 net profit ? How many sports bettors are up $250,000 over the long run? Would AC88 or BetInAsia let someone get anywhere close to $250,000 - obtained legitimately - without seriously limiting an account? And most importantly, would that be the extent of it (totally eliminating liquidity above what BF provides), or do they get 'aggressive' if someone manages to reach a balance of $10,000 or $25,000 or $50,000? (and by aggressive I mean invoking some clause in the T&C that they 'feel' is being violated but in fact is not). Long, long ago I was an aspiring Blackjack card counter, playing at a measly $5 table and making no large bets. Yet even though I was losing at the time, a pit boss still felt I was enough of a danger that he stopped the play and told the dealer "while this individual is at the table, shuffle after every hand". That of course was my signal to leave which I did - what stuck with me was that 'they' didn't want to lose a single penny. So is Piwi or Orbit or the agents the 'they' ?
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Re: PIWI247

Mon Jul 22, 2024 12:02 pm

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Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:22 am
this was posted above: "On the other hand, keep in mind that Piwi247 or an agent could limit your account, if they determine that you are not a profitable client."

which leads to the question: what is/is not a "profitable" client to Piwi (or Orbit I imagine as well) or an agent ? If I make over a hundred bets a week on horses, with a lot of winners, maybe a slight overall balance uptick every week - are the commissions I 'provide' considered a good thing to Orbit or the agent ? Or do they (Orbit and/or agent) only consider an overall loser a 'good' customer? Someone who deposits $500, generates a lot of small commissions , but eventually falls to 0 - and then repeats that process over and over - that would seem to be the dream customer: commissions deducted, net loser, process repeated multiple times. When it's said that the advantage of Orbit or other white label BF exchanges is the avoidance of Premium Charges, don't those kick in at BF at something like $250,000 net profit ? How many sports bettors are up $250,000 over the long run? Would AC88 or BetInAsia let someone get anywhere close to $250,000 - obtained legitimately - without seriously limiting an account? And most importantly, would that be the extent of it (totally eliminating liquidity above what BF provides), or do they get 'aggressive' if someone manages to reach a balance of $10,000 or $25,000 or $50,000? (and by aggressive I mean invoking some clause in the T&C that they 'feel' is being violated but in fact is not). Long, long ago I was an aspiring Blackjack card counter, playing at a measly $5 table and making no large bets. Yet even though I was losing at the time, a pit boss still felt I was enough of a danger that he stopped the play and told the dealer "while this individual is at the table, shuffle after every hand". That of course was my signal to leave which I did - what stuck with me was that 'they' didn't want to lose a single penny. So is Piwi or Orbit or the agents the 'they' ?
I have read somewhere that Orbit would increase your commission a lot if you are a long-term winner. Probably not 40% like the Premium charge but still a lot more compared to a losing customer.
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Re: PIWI247

Mon Jul 22, 2024 12:58 pm

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Mon Jul 22, 2024 12:02 pm
James Ravazzolo wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:22 am
this was posted above: "On the other hand, keep in mind that Piwi247 or an agent could limit your account, if they determine that you are not a profitable client."

which leads to the question: what is/is not a "profitable" client to Piwi (or Orbit I imagine as well) or an agent ? If I make over a hundred bets a week on horses, with a lot of winners, maybe a slight overall balance uptick every week - are the commissions I 'provide' considered a good thing to Orbit or the agent ? Or do they (Orbit and/or agent) only consider an overall loser a 'good' customer? Someone who deposits $500, generates a lot of small commissions , but eventually falls to 0 - and then repeats that process over and over - that would seem to be the dream customer: commissions deducted, net loser, process repeated multiple times. When it's said that the advantage of Orbit or other white label BF exchanges is the avoidance of Premium Charges, don't those kick in at BF at something like $250,000 net profit ? How many sports bettors are up $250,000 over the long run? Would AC88 or BetInAsia let someone get anywhere close to $250,000 - obtained legitimately - without seriously limiting an account? And most importantly, would that be the extent of it (totally eliminating liquidity above what BF provides), or do they get 'aggressive' if someone manages to reach a balance of $10,000 or $25,000 or $50,000? (and by aggressive I mean invoking some clause in the T&C that they 'feel' is being violated but in fact is not). Long, long ago I was an aspiring Blackjack card counter, playing at a measly $5 table and making no large bets. Yet even though I was losing at the time, a pit boss still felt I was enough of a danger that he stopped the play and told the dealer "while this individual is at the table, shuffle after every hand". That of course was my signal to leave which I did - what stuck with me was that 'they' didn't want to lose a single penny. So is Piwi or Orbit or the agents the 'they' ?
I have read somewhere that Orbit would increase your commission a lot if you are a long-term winner. Probably not 40% like the Premium charge but still a lot more compared to a losing customer.
Yep, there was a such case were the player got a 10% commission on Orbit.
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Re: PIWI247

Mon Jul 22, 2024 4:05 pm

probettor91 wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2024 12:58 pm
axelT wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2024 12:02 pm
James Ravazzolo wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:22 am
this was posted above: "On the other hand, keep in mind that Piwi247 or an agent could limit your account, if they determine that you are not a profitable client."

which leads to the question: what is/is not a "profitable" client to Piwi (or Orbit I imagine as well) or an agent ? If I make over a hundred bets a week on horses, with a lot of winners, maybe a slight overall balance uptick every week - are the commissions I 'provide' considered a good thing to Orbit or the agent ? Or do they (Orbit and/or agent) only consider an overall loser a 'good' customer? Someone who deposits $500, generates a lot of small commissions , but eventually falls to 0 - and then repeats that process over and over - that would seem to be the dream customer: commissions deducted, net loser, process repeated multiple times. When it's said that the advantage of Orbit or other white label BF exchanges is the avoidance of Premium Charges, don't those kick in at BF at something like $250,000 net profit ? How many sports bettors are up $250,000 over the long run? Would AC88 or BetInAsia let someone get anywhere close to $250,000 - obtained legitimately - without seriously limiting an account? And most importantly, would that be the extent of it (totally eliminating liquidity above what BF provides), or do they get 'aggressive' if someone manages to reach a balance of $10,000 or $25,000 or $50,000? (and by aggressive I mean invoking some clause in the T&C that they 'feel' is being violated but in fact is not). Long, long ago I was an aspiring Blackjack card counter, playing at a measly $5 table and making no large bets. Yet even though I was losing at the time, a pit boss still felt I was enough of a danger that he stopped the play and told the dealer "while this individual is at the table, shuffle after every hand". That of course was my signal to leave which I did - what stuck with me was that 'they' didn't want to lose a single penny. So is Piwi or Orbit or the agents the 'they' ?

I think even up to 12% increased before. But not sure If orbit is still doing it nowadays. I haven't read any topic about it anymore.

I have read somewhere that Orbit would increase your commission a lot if you are a long-term winner. Probably not 40% like the Premium charge but still a lot more compared to a losing customer.
Yep, there was a such case were the player got a 10% commission on Orbit.
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Re: PIWI247

Mon Jul 22, 2024 5:00 pm

even a 10% commission is nothing compared to the Premium Charges BF has, but if liquidity offered drops to BF levels then you are paying more than BF commission. I guess the question becomes when does that potentially kick in? At what net profit level? If its low (say $10,000) then BF's commission of 5% or less looks good.

My bigger concern is the apparently new language in the Orbit T&C about using AI. I dont think that was in there 3 or 4 years ago when I signed up with AC88 to use Orbit. What constitutes AI ? They give no definition. So is anything beyond using your judgment (certain to be a loser in the long run) considered AI ? Can you use external data, do data analysis to make your picks? If you can win in the long run will they assume you use AI since in their mind that's the only way a person could possibly win in the long run. Quite a contrast from BF, which has a developer forum, encourages data analysis, etc. Is the mention of AI to benefit Orbit, or for the benefit of the agents at AC88 or BetInAsia , to prevent them from losing to certain customers?
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Re: PIWI247

Mon Jul 22, 2024 6:44 pm

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At what net profit level? If its low (say $10,000) then BF's commission of 5% or less looks good.
Few years ago it was around 6-10k for me.
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Re: PIWI247

Mon Jul 22, 2024 10:58 pm

if 10% commission kicks in at $6,000 net profit and liquidity drops to BF level, then BF is much better since the commission would probably be < 5% at that stage. They start several non UK countries at 6.5%, but as you bet more and more it goes down. So Orbit is really saying 'go back to BF' once you reach a rather small net profit amount.

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