There is a frenzy in investing circles for art pieces as a hedge against inflation. Analysis shows that indeed fine art collector's pieces outperformed the SP500 for the last 20 years. I have a very close friend who is a master in observation. This is a trait we should all cultivate to our children and I m doing my best to teach my relatives and close friends this trait. This friend taught me how to pay attention to things that pass from my hands, including coins. So I started collecting only 2 euro coins that I could simply receive as changes when paying cash for anything you could imagine. I also try to pay with the amount that would force cashiers to give me back 2 or 4 euros as changes.
The results are astonishing. Very recently I received a 2 euro coin that costs 11 euros in eBay and I can't believe how ignorant some people might be. They really don't pay attention and they don't care. This is a random process actually, I pay for anything with cash, and some times I receive changes that already pay for what I bought. It resembles to value betting some times.
After counting how much I made within a year, I decided to expand to 1 euro and 50 cents euro coins. I became an expert, and I can identify value within seconds. These coins are also beating inflation if kept in the long run. It is my understanding that more and more people will start collecting rare euro coins and I am telling you it pays back with absolutely little or no effort. This could become addictive at a point.
This is received as changes in a Lithuanian super market. It comes from Luxembourg.
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Artwork shows strong appreciation during times of high inflation. I bought a Van Gogh painting for $70m USD 2 years ago and have had it recently valued at $88m USD. Art is a great investment and it also a great way to diversify a portfolio.
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The only Van Gogh meeting what you say should be the ''Wooden Cabins among the Olive Trees and Cypresses'', but that was sold 1 year ago, not 2.
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What is the maximum mintage of every coin that you are looking for? Because the mintage decides the value in the end. Is there any other criteria?
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For example, you have a Greek 2 euro coin with a mintage of 1.000.000, but it is afflicted from circulation and doesn't look healthy. And at the same time you have a fine Spanish coin of 4.000.000 mintage, shining in the sun. I would collect both, but would be happier with the Spanish.
Smaller countries, always better than bigger countries.
Smaller mintage, always better than bigger.
Coloured, always better than not coloured coins.
etc etc etc.
You dont have to be an expert now. Just collect them, and when the time comes you will know what is more valuable.
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Mintage played a role, but not the only role.
For example, you have a Greek 2 euro coin with a mintage of 1.000.000, but it is afflicted from circulation and doesn't look healthy. And at the same time you have a fine Spanish coin of 4.000.000 mintage, shining in the sun. I would collect both, but would be happier with the Spanish.
Smaller countries, always better than bigger countries.
Smaller mintage, always better than bigger.
Coloured, always better than not coloured coins.
etc etc etc.
You dont have to be an expert now. Just collect them, and when the time comes you will know what is more valuable.
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It is with great satisfaction to see a coin collection topic starting in the forum. I started collecting post stamps as a teenager and moved to coins five years ago.
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Recently I visited Rome. One of the great historic Metropolis' of our world, a city we should all visit. I also visited Vatican which is enclaved within Italy. Vatican is the smallest country that adopted the Euro and it has the right to circulate its own Euro coins. Vatican Euro coins are rare and are considered to be valuable.
So I grabbed the chance to visit the Vatican postal office just to buy whatever collection I could. I stayed humble and didn't buy those extra collections with 5 euro coins, but I bought the 2018 collection of 8 coins that you can see in the following image:
The cost was just 37 euros and I decided to pay with a corporate card in order to reduce the real price even more. When I came home I found all collections of Vatican coins and they offer a much better than inflation performance. I regret I didn't buy more.
This collection can be found at the price of 55 euros online, so you can understand that I am already a winner. At the same time, I m practising my patience, because this is a game of patience.
If you have that trait, next time you visit Rome, pay a visit to Vatican too. You could get the 2018 and 2022 collections at the minimum price you could ever find them. These are the only collections they sell right now. And at the same time you will be astonished with the museums and the art exposed there, full of Judeo-Greco-Roman civilization.
So I grabbed the chance to visit the Vatican postal office just to buy whatever collection I could. I stayed humble and didn't buy those extra collections with 5 euro coins, but I bought the 2018 collection of 8 coins that you can see in the following image:
The cost was just 37 euros and I decided to pay with a corporate card in order to reduce the real price even more. When I came home I found all collections of Vatican coins and they offer a much better than inflation performance. I regret I didn't buy more.
This collection can be found at the price of 55 euros online, so you can understand that I am already a winner. At the same time, I m practising my patience, because this is a game of patience.
If you have that trait, next time you visit Rome, pay a visit to Vatican too. You could get the 2018 and 2022 collections at the minimum price you could ever find them. These are the only collections they sell right now. And at the same time you will be astonished with the museums and the art exposed there, full of Judeo-Greco-Roman civilization.
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This is my latest acquisition from the Vatican city. It is the first collection of euro coins for the year 2002. These are Brilliant Uncirculated coins.
It is priced at 400 euros today, and my study shows it will beat the inflation in the long run. It already does. There are only 65.000 pieces of this in circulation. The vast majority belongs to collectors, some of them are already lost. I specifically targeted Euro collections from the Vatican City because of their characteristics.
It is priced at 400 euros today, and my study shows it will beat the inflation in the long run. It already does. There are only 65.000 pieces of this in circulation. The vast majority belongs to collectors, some of them are already lost. I specifically targeted Euro collections from the Vatican City because of their characteristics.
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If so, is there a limit to how many collections can be purchased at once in the Vatican?
If you decide to hold the collection, is it best to keep it in the box?
Surely this will itself need a relatively large storage space if so.
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Is there a chance to immediately sell them for €55?
If so, is there a limit to how many collections can be purchased at once in the Vatican?
If you decide to hold the collection, is it best to keep it in the box?
Surely this will itself need a relatively large storage space if so.
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This comment is not related to rare coins, but i recommend everyone that wants to invest in gold, to buy gold coins. This way it will serve in the gold market and in the numismatics market, so you have more possibilities to sell it in the future if you need it.
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Can you answer this @arbusers, or is it the sort of information your prefer to keep to yourself?freaked wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 4:39 pmIs there a chance to immediately sell them for €55?
If so, is there a limit to how many collections can be purchased at once in the Vatican?
If you decide to hold the collection, is it best to keep it in the box?
Surely this will itself need a relatively large storage space if so.
Thanks.
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The chances of selling these coins (or collections) immediately are slim. This is not how this game is played, it is not sports betting arbitrage, this is something different.
So for this specific collection of 2018, the current price online is 55 euros, and it is the same price in e-bay as well. If you are looking to sell really quick, maybe you should go down to 49 or something, but again, this is not how the game is played.
I have no idea how many collections you could buy. I myself bought 3 collections from 2018, 1 for me and 2 as a gift for 2 fellow members who also collect them. But this is another aspect of this game. When one of these 2 friends visits Vatican, Monaco, San Marino, or anything like that, he will too buy collections for the other 2. Personally, I only limit my self to Vatican, and I am not expanding to the other mini states.
Thus, the storage space is not something big really. At least for me. One of my friends who has all euro coins from all countries, indeed needs a bigger storage space. I have seen it and in my view it goes to the level of obsession. But in reality, these obsessed people are the ones that keep the prices that high.
Lastly, these collections come inside a cart. Keep this cart intact, if damaged the value goes dramatically lower. In addition, I am putting all collections to transparent envelops to keep humidity and oxidation out.
Again, this is not sports betting arbitrage. A complete collection has bigger value than 1 separate annual collection, and it is a proof that a long term job took place.
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freaked wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 8:15 amCan you answer this @arbusers, or is it the sort of information your prefer to keep to yourself?freaked wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 4:39 pmIs there a chance to immediately sell them for €55?
If so, is there a limit to how many collections can be purchased at once in the Vatican?
If you decide to hold the collection, is it best to keep it in the box?
Surely this will itself need a relatively large storage space if so.
Thanks.
The chances of selling these coins (or collections) immediately are slim. This is not how this game is played, it is not sports betting arbitrage, this is something different.
So for this specific collection of 2018, the current price online is 55 euros, and it is the same price in e-bay as well. If you are looking to sell really quick, maybe you should go down to 49 or something, but again, this is not how the game is played.
I have no idea how many collections you could buy. I myself bought 3 collections from 2018, 1 for me and 2 as a gift for 2 fellow members who also collect them. But this is another aspect of this game. When one of these 2 friends visits Vatican, Monaco, San Marino, or anything like that, he will too buy collections for the other 2. Personally, I only limit my self to Vatican, and I am not expanding to the other mini states.
Thus, the storage space is not something big really. At least for me. One of my friends who has all euro coins from all countries, indeed needs a bigger storage space. I have seen it and in my view it goes to the level of obsession. But in reality, these obsessed people are the ones that keep the prices that high.
Lastly, these collections come inside a cart. Keep this cart intact, if damaged the value goes dramatically lower. In addition, I am putting all collections to transparent envelops to keep humidity and oxidation out.
Again, this is not sports betting arbitrage. A complete collection has bigger value than 1 separate annual collection, and it is a proof that a long term job took place.
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