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That is not my case but just a quote from an other victim. Personally I have been scammed by this multiaccount accusation as well but I did not act like I should have so I guess I won´t see my money any more in spite of being robbed. Game protect might be able to help you with curacao cases.

This is another quote.
I have over 19 years that gamble and had over 50 accounts where i gambled.But offshore gambling site scammers like 18bet.com i have never seen before.They kept my winnings of. almost 3000 Euro for no reason my account was verified and i just played some combo bets live bets and single bets all from English leagues.They stopped answering emails and blocked me in live chat.They are operated from a call centre from Bulgaria.I checked their reviews on trust pilot and sbr forum and there were tons on complaintes  like mine.I have almost no hope that i will get my money.I did my research and their owner is a mafia guy related to onecoin scam his name is Avi Shemesh.But since he is Jew and Bulgarian police is ao curropted i think he is safe.He has made billions from online gambling.He used to run 10bet but he sold it.Now he owns Delasport,Sbtech, and 1bet.18bet, premium tradings and many other casinos and forex sites.Their casino games are rigged,Fake bonuses with redicilous terms,fake jackpots just to lure you.But bottom of the line if you get lucky enough they will not pay you.

Personally I think there is a strong Jewish connection as employees write Hebrew or at least they always have when I have been doing it to test it out. Due to my personal experiences I think whenever there are strong connections to Israel and Eastern Europe one should be very wary.

warner wrote: Game protect might be able to help you with curacao cases.

Game protect are proved scammers, stay away

According to my personal experience they are not. They have even lawyers in their network.

warner wrote: According to my personal experience they are not. They have even lawyers in their network.

Really want to hear those personal experiences. Have you used their ''no cure no payment'' services with success?

not those but they have helped me getting some money back by contacting operators and compiling online scam articles

warner wrote: not those but they have helped me getting some money back by contacting operators and compiling online scam articles

Hope you didn't pay him anything for his services (in fact, he is not accepting payments but only donations so that you can't recover them in any way). Most propably he did nothing and since you got paid, you thought that you got paid due to him.

They are proven scammers. Despite the dozens of complaints against them, a mate used their services only to got scammed as well. They advertise the ''no cure no payment'' model. Soon they will tell you that for any reason the ''no cure no payment'' model (65-35 ratio) does not apply in your case and will ask money in advance via btc to fill case at court etc.. Once you sent money, he will do nothing and ignore you. Once you start chasing your money back, he may even threat you that he will report you at police for illegal gambling, report you at tax department of your country etc. Happened in other forums many times. He is the last person in the world i would give him my personal data. See your self:

imgur.com/a/DmkADUa

He got kicked from many forums so far as he was scamming people with his ''services''.

Can write pages and pages about the psychopath behind GP. The guy needs medical help to say at least. For anyone who may thinking using their services, check his reputation at bitcointalk before he got kicked. You will not find any less reputated profile than him.

bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254

warner wrote: not those but they have helped me getting some money back by contacting operators and compiling online scam articles

We might be the only forum that stops character assassination attempts for our supported companies. As previously said we weren't born yesterday.

warner wrote: not those but they have helped me getting some money back by contacting operators and compiling online scam articles

What a shame!

Yes I paid some and saw the articles. There is in fact article about POGG service which I compiled and he published free of charge which is good as that resulted in a better POGG service starting to tell about suing possibilities even naming a company in Estonia greentablelegal.

Seems you don't want to understand.

Game-Protect has the honor to be rank the least trusted profile among thousands of members at bitcointalk. He has less trust even from 1xbet lol. See yourself:

https://bpip.org/Report?r=leasttrusted

He is banned everywhere. Bitcointalk/Pokerfraudalert/forumserver.twoplustwo.com to name a few forums.

https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/showt ... ts-members
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/show ... count=3738
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?actio ... e;u=874254

You wrote that GP have lawyers in their network etc.

Let's first see what contract are sending their customers to sign:

https://imgur.com/a/pZF0xH5

You spotted the name of the lawyer? Nardy Cramm.

Now check this:

https://imgur.com/a/3GrxUgS

If you still believe that GP are not scammers, you can continue using their services.

Are you saying that you paid someone to write negative reviews about PremiumTradings and 18bet in websites and forums?
What do I read here?

PremiumTredingScamMe wrote: I generally don't see any point in creating multiple PremiumTrading accounts. At least in my case. 99% of the turnover on my account is exchanges. Who needs multiple exchange accounts anyway?

If an agent suspects fraud, they need to pay the client and then throw him out.

Besides, why would an agent be entitled to keep funds if multiple customers login from the same IP? Why would anyone deliberately multi-account an agent if no bonus is involved?

1) Multy acounts in exchanges is used a lot by fraudsters and may even  destroy the company that allows it .... talking about small ones , betfair is huge besides that probably has even better identity or other checks.
So they MUST hunt down multys when they can , in order to protect their bussiness witch is very usefull to as, plus our money .

2) They must not give money back to fraudsters , because that way they dont hurt them at all ... same danger  remains.

3) The specific dangers or fraudster practices is no need to be told again ... i probably dont know even half anyway , but is much bigger than bonuses.
You seem very innocent to not even imagine the problem , but its your mistake to have  multy ip ... i have my brother in top apartment sharing ip, and asked them.

4)Sorry dont take me wrong , but the amount of fraudsters bad mouthing bookies is HUUGE ... i had no idea until some years ago had  experience in a big greek forum so now i dont believe a lot , Will tell the story sometime here because is really crazy,

blizard wrote:

PremiumTredingScamMe wrote: I generally don't see any point in creating multiple PremiumTrading accounts. At least in my case. 99% of the turnover on my account is exchanges. Who needs multiple exchange accounts anyway?

If an agent suspects fraud, they need to pay the client and then throw him out.

Besides, why would an agent be entitled to keep funds if multiple customers login from the same IP? Why would anyone deliberately multi-account an agent if no bonus is involved?

1) Multy acounts in exchanges is used a lot by fraudsters and may even  destroy the company that allows it .... talking about small ones , betfair is huge besides that probably has even better identity or other checks.
So they MUST hunt down multys when they can , in order to protect their bussiness witch is very usefull to as, plus our money .

2) They must not give money back to fraudsters , because that way they dont hurt them at all ... same danger  remains.

3) The specific dangers or fraudster practices is no need to be told again ... i probably dont know even half anyway , but is much bigger than bonuses.
You seem very innocent to not even imagine the problem , but its your mistake to have  multy ip ... i have my brother in top apartment sharing ip, and asked them.

4)Sorry dont take me wrong , but the amount of fraudsters bad mouthing bookies is HUUGE ... i had no idea until some years ago had  experience in a big greek forum so now i dont believe a lot , Will tell the story sometime here because is really crazy,

There's no mention in this thread of an exchange detecting multiple accounts, but there is mention of the agent themselves detecting it. Besides, multi-accounting in exchanges is done to pass around money from one account to the other; it makes absolutely zero sense to pass around money in accounts serviced by the SAME agent.

I agree with you there are many fraudsters in this business, both on the betting side and on the bookie side. However, in this case, the agent can't properly show why it's the victim, it has suffered no damage whatsoever, it can't prove fraudulent motive (I can't think of one).
By allowing agents to confiscate money just because there's something in their T&C gives agents the opportunity to become as fraudulent as the customer they're accusing. They apparently have virtually no burden of proof in your opinion, they can just keep someone else's money as a Christmas bonus for themselves without any explanation by just yelling "Fraud!". That's not OK.

Again, I don't know the specifics of this case. The OP might have been up to something, I don't know. But without hearing the point of view of the agent this doesn't look good to me.

The AGENT is taking the damage of the fraud , so they are the ones to detect and kill it... they are responsible for the security of the money and all tricks around them.
The exchange takes less to no risk so dont care much about that

Thats not the case if you play directly to betfair , with no agent ... in this case the damage goes all to the exchange, but they are big to handle, and also they have better security i guess.

If i see an agent NOT caring about multy accounts , i afraid that someday they will not be able to take the damage and will go bankrubed  , so all will be hurt, people and the exchange itself maybe ... if they take care of the problem i feel more secure.

ps
There are too many fraudsters complaining at the internets , badmounting for making presure to the companies or whatever , so they can continue their ways.
This was sooo obvious to me when i was writing in a greek forum (not from this topic or this guy) .. amazing amount of copy accounts protecting their bussines in so obvious ways that is really crazy

Dear All,

Following the expressed comments so far, we would like to highlight that we greatly respect all Arbusers users and value our mutual collaboration. As for any dispute published and solved here, we believe that maintaining a fair tone, professionalism and integrity is the main point.

Alongside the above said and in relation to the topic of this thread, note that we are working hard to establish a secure and protected betting environment for our punters, in order for them to feel all of their personal and financial assets are well-shielded as they are indeed.

Specifically on the matter here, after an advanced investigation led by the relevant department, we concluded that the user owned multiple betting accounts under different personalities – fully violating site’s T&C and not priory approved by the company. Thus, his statements are untruthful, he’s unable to provide essential details asked solely from a general security point of view and on top of that it is proven to be in breach of several rules, published in our T&C section.

The customer is fully aware of the above stated facts and all details related to his case. The company's decision is final and conclusive. Let us also assure the Arbusers community that our communication and efforts with the client went to extremes in length in order to confirm the ownership of the account in question. But there is a point up to which there is no reason explaining and repeating the same things again and again.

Finally, we would like to conclude and remind, that the multiple accounts policy is into force, and it states that it is not allowed or only allowed by advanced approval by the company.
For some specific bookmakers if somebody tries to bypass and violate that rule, it might put into risk each level in the chain.

With this in mind, we advise all users to follow the Terms & Conditions and/or to communicate with us in advance their needs, in order for us to provide a safe and satisfactory decision for each user.

The Arbusers bettors are smart community and we are pleased to have this cooperation and be part of it.

As for the customer in question, who claims to be totally innocent and being part of the community has their first topic only on that matter and they are not considered a loyal and ensuing, as it is obvious that the only reason of being in the forum is black marketing, which we absolutely assent of being unfair act.

Best regards,
PremiumTradings Team