Arbusers

First i would like to say that finally we found solution to my problem and my money was finally payed out!

There are few things i need to explain that i was unaware till now and i want to clear some things out:

1. I would like to thank Arbusers for helping me sort this things out, he was mediator between me and Premiumtradings the whole time.
2: I would also like to thank member of this forum who raise their voice and make neccecary pressure and speed things out.
3. In conclusion and my talks with arbusers and Premiumtradings i found out that Premiumtradings was not part of this problem like i previously tought, in explanation that i get unfortunately Pinnacle was the one who was holding my money and didnt want to pay out my winnings,PT as agent was helpless in this situation and as i understood they even payed out first part of the money on their own,waiting on Pinnacle to pay them.
So i want to say that Premiumtradings was not to blame from beggining but all this fault was on Pinnacle side but not knowing it i put my blame on PT and now i finnaly resolved the case.


First to say that i am dissapointed on premiumtradings behaviour because i am accused of fradulent activity and they dont want to pay out my winnings.

I have opened my premiumtradings acc for more than 1 year ago,i was playing for some time and than stop,
2 months ago i opened pinnacle account( ps3838 ) and i start to play.
I am betting just on Tennis, 95% of my bets are ATP and WTA matches and only my last 2 bets was on chellenger match( both bet lost),
again 95% of my bets are prematch bets and most of them are bets 1-5min before match start ( biggest volume to bet).

in this 2 months of betting i have earned  5 figure amount from them and i had payed out 2/3 of my winnigs but last part they dont want to pay out stating that my account is
under investigation of fradulent activities.

I ll just say that not even one of this matches that i played (final,SF,QF.. of ROlland garros and all the biggest turnaments in this time is under any investigations by any authority
for match fixing or anything simillar) so i dont know what they are investigating,i had bet on about 80+ matches and most of my bets are on best tennis players like Nadal,Djokovic,Rublev,MEdvedev,Wawrinka...
so i dont think any of them is doing anything shady.

When i notice that my ps3838 acc is suspended i was first who contacted premiumtradings and asked them to check why it is and to investigate the case,
I am waiting for this now more than 2 weeks and they still dont have any explanation or answer on it, few days after i asked for withdrawal part of my money and they still didnt pay
to this day.

I gave them reasoneble amount of time to give me any explanation or reason why my PS3838 account is suspended and to pay out my winnings but only answer from them is that
my account is fraudelent without any evidence or proof of it.

Stating that i am fraudelent without any evidence or proof or even explanation why they think in this way is sad ,my account is verified when i opened it
and i verified it again when i asked for my first withdrawal 1 month ago, i dont have nothing to hide and it seems my only crime is i dared to beat pinnacle and ask for my
honest earned money.

normal these days, winners are not welcome.
Asianconnect closed my Orbit Exchange account because of too much earnings last week.

this guy is a long standing member of this forum and he receives this theft from a company whose banners were once displayed on this
website.

you cannot penalise somebody for being clever. Premiumtradings pay this smart guy his balance, if you do not shame on you
and you should be kicked off this site forever and anybody who uses you has to beware, you can be next!

Kapetan1122, you are a smart guy, make good and intelligent posts and a very valuable member of this forum in my opinion
and should not be allowed to be treated in this criminal way.

I change my post as I can see Premiumtradings no longer advertise on here....should anyone on here be using these criminals?

justanarber wrote: this guy is a long standing member of this forum and he receives this theft from a company whose banners were once displayed on this
website.

you cannot penalise somebody for being clever. Premiumtradings pay this smart guy his balance, if you do not shame on you
and you should be kicked off this site forever and anybody who uses you has to beware, you can be next!

Kapetan1122, you are a smart guy, make good and intelligent posts and a very valuable member of this forum in my opinion
and should not be allowed to be treated in this criminal way.

I change my post as I can see Premiumtradings no longer advertise on here....should anyone on here be using these criminals?

Thank you, i am always trying to help where i can but this kind of things realy offend me because you cant call somebody fraudelent just because i can beat you square and fair, i am just demanding even one proof of me cheating or doing something bad,if premiumtradings cant do this i think i deserve to get payed because i invested too much of my time and energy to learn how to beat sharp books and now they act like some kind of  scam bookie that dont want to pay.

Never like reading posts like this.

PT need to press Pinnacle daily on this, for them to either set out clear evidence of cheating or other fraud (Which im in no way suggesting OP), or release the account immediately.

I put a lot of betting through PS3838, all pre match and only on the biggest leagues and games, and thankfully have never had any issue over the last 7 years.

But with things like this, especially via an agent, there needs to be an urgency to any issues with the books they offer.

Last year i spoke with several people who beat sharps. Lot of people start to get problems with payouts and limits. Even pinnacle start to limit thair players. Probably sharp bookies and agents start to have even bigger  problem since corona started in europe. I speak about clean and fair betting on sharps. I see only option now days to go on court to get money out of sharps this days.
Arbers switched to valubetting, so sharps lost a lot of stupid bettors and thay start to bled. Smart guys will go to court for thair money, but this way sharps will tell as, if you wish your money you will need to wait for it for a long time. So this way thay will push some good players away and earn some time. But i start to see paterns at shaprs that start to copy softs. So maybe soon only multiaccoutnig will only work, Nowdays even some softs pay better than sharps.,,,,

I received a promo email from Premiumtradings today, it was encouraging me to bet on the upcoming ATP Tennis finals.

it was a bit ironic when there is a longstanding member of this forum who won fairly on the same sport of tennis and they refuse to pay.

will the people who make a profit from you Premiumtradings on the ATP finals get the same scandalous treatment?

Kapetan1122 really sorry for that.I hope to take all your winnings,mate.As the guy said above you provide useful info to this site.You beat pinnacle,so actually you are a pro and you have invest a lot of time in betting,like most of "old members" here.

I hope arbusers to help with your case as it seems to have a lot of connection with this broker.There are also other negative reports in the past
Dealer wins has problem with betfair ,you do not get paid from premium tradings,things get worser every year.I hope mate to take your money!Update the thread to know what is happening.

Dear all,

As it often happens, we are always presented on one side of the story, and even though there are many more satisfied customers, we tend to receive only the negative backlash. The account of the user was closed by the agent for fraudulent wagering/system manipulation and the current statement is ‘’Please ensure this person is not given any other accounts. Many of his accounts were closed in other groups before, he's always moving around...’’. Please note that the upper lines see only usernames, but since they have managed to recognize a specific behavior, it seems that kapetan1122 is absolutely aware that he is doing something wrong and to us seems he is/was trying to other sources as well. In addition, payouts were already performed on his winnings and the above statement does not correlate fully with the truth. PremiumTradings goal is to provide a safe environment of its users, and we cannot afford due to one person, who is trying to manipulate the system/s to jeopardize the professionally built on trust betting environment for all our punters.
The regular punters, no matter if you are professionals or regular bettors, are more than welcome, as soon as they do not try to perform any manipulation! PremiumTradings does not support such a behavior or attempt of manipulation since this interrupts the operations with agents!

Best Regards,
PremiumTradings Team

I dont take anyone's side but what you mean by " fraudulent wagering/system manipulation"? You came here to present your arguments but you didn't. This is fun and unacceptable, you and every bookie on earth can these days confiscate money and hide behind "he broke rules, presented fraudulent behaviour". More than that, you hide behind "we can't show any evidences so other people can't do same". This is another bullshit. We live in a world when arber/punter can have his money confiscated by bookie/broker without any evidences presented, what a joke.

premiumtradings wrote: Dear all,

As it often happens, we are always presented on one side of the story, and even though there are many more satisfied customers, we tend to receive only the negative backlash. The account of the user was closed by the agent for fraudulent wagering/system manipulation and the current statement is ‘’Please ensure this person is not given any other accounts. Many of his accounts were closed in other groups before, he's always moving around...’’. Please note that the upper lines see only usernames, but since they have managed to recognize a specific behavior, it seems that kapetan1122 is absolutely aware that he is doing something wrong and to us seems he is/was trying to other sources as well. In addition, payouts were already performed on his winnings and the above statement does not correlate fully with the truth. PremiumTradings goal is to provide a safe environment of its users, and we cannot afford due to one person, who is trying to manipulate the system/s to jeopardize the professionally built on trust betting environment for all our punters.
The regular punters, no matter if you are professionals or regular bettors, are more than welcome, as soon as they do not try to perform any manipulation! PremiumTradings does not support such a behavior or attempt of manipulation since this interrupts the operations with agents!

Best Regards,
PremiumTradings Team

hahahah, lol f***** s***
Ok 99,9%  people lose on sharp so yes most costumers dont give you a problem, wtf?!?!?
Here is obvious, that keptan12 was wining with other agents form your post i would say. so yes pini limit him with all browkers if i understand corect? So yes holy moly that he need to open more browkers.. What is wrong to open more browkers if all limit you. He could chose multipleaccountg also, but no guy beat you as hell and you dont pay  him. Be ashamed that your link is still here Congrats premiumtrading!!!!!! Shame on you.  Tell me how to manupulate big tennis turnament in last minute before game star, comeon, who will belive this think

premiumtradings wrote: Dear all,

As it often happens, we are always presented on one side of the story, and even though there are many more satisfied customers, we tend to receive only the negative backlash. The account of the user was closed by the agent for fraudulent wagering/system manipulation and the current statement is ‘’Please ensure this person is not given any other accounts. Many of his accounts were closed in other groups before, he's always moving around...’’. Please note that the upper lines see only usernames, but since they have managed to recognize a specific behavior, it seems that kapetan1122 is absolutely aware that he is doing something wrong and to us seems he is/was trying to other sources as well. In addition, payouts were already performed on his winnings and the above statement does not correlate fully with the truth. PremiumTradings goal is to provide a safe environment of its users, and we cannot afford due to one person, who is trying to manipulate the system/s to jeopardize the professionally built on trust betting environment for all our punters.
The regular punters, no matter if you are professionals or regular bettors, are more than welcome, as soon as they do not try to perform any manipulation! PremiumTradings does not support such a behavior or attempt of manipulation since this interrupts the operations with agents!

Best Regards,
PremiumTradings Team

Lets see:
I use my account every time,not ever once did i use some other or 3rd party account,
every account of mine was verified before and never had any problem with it,

Didnt i ask you before i open my account if its ok to open it with pinnacle and if i am limited in any way?

Now comes interesting story and i am wonder how will you explain this:

I am winning player at pinnacle for last 3-4 years,i still have my original account at them but funny thing is that for last 2 years i am only able to bet on live odds at this account because i am losing money there( there goes a story that pinni is not limiting winning players).
After this i have opened few more accounts thru agents, every time i asked if its ok to open account and play there, every time i get account from every agent and after some time i get notice that my account is limited but EVERY time i get PAYED from every agent until now!!!

Can you explain me why pinnacle dont limit my original account in same time while they limit this thru PT?
Truht is that i have won about 25000€ in little more than 35 days i bet prematch odds with PT but truth is also that i had lost more than 15500€ on my own account playing live bets so i am wondering why is pinnacle not limiting my losing account and why they dont stop accepting my deposits with them but here where i won i am limited and they dont want to pay out my fair winnings!!!

Simple truth is that i know how to beat Pinni lines and nothing more,there is no fraud, no sistem manipulation or something else going on here and you all know it.
If you have just one proof please show it to me or public here and you ll not hear even one more word from me!

I think this is great advertisement from you and pinnacle, limiting winning player with winning account and dont want to pay out winnigs and leave same player account that is losing one and still accepting my deposits there.

Definitely arbusers need to take a position and rethink their partnership with PT.

premiumtradings wrote:


The regular punters, no matter if you are professionals or regular bettors, are more than welcome,

Best Regards,
PremiumTradings Team

then why are you on this site? this is not a place for "regular punters", this site is full of smart guys, not your "regular punter"

kapetan1122's only fault is that he's too smart, he beats sharps and fairly, your bs explanation is pathetic when really it should read
he's a smart guy and we don't want smart guys like him so we decided to ban him and steal his money.

you have no place on this forum and you are criminals.

If this is coming from the sportsbook  (PS3838) and not PT, then PT have no option but to refuse the client.  I can imagine that some people have sussed out a way to manipulate Pinnacles odds unfairly.