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Re: Private bookmaker

Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:20 pm

Porsche66gn wrote: Greetings,
I am currently running final tests to my private book which is entirely designed for a low number of serous arbers, the prices are all in decimal and each client will have his own client handler with whom they can contact directly.

so your "private book" must have higher odds than the sharps or the exchanges for an arber to make profit


We would love to hear from anyone that might be interested in finding out more or joining prior to us going live in the next month. Due to our size and staffing levels we will only be taking on 100 active clients just now.

your "private book" has to do so well to not only make 100 arbers a profit but also pay the wages of 100 staff and also make you a profit


all this from a guy who cannot answer the most straightforward of questions about his plans?

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Re: Private bookmaker

Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:30 pm

I think I will withdraw from this conversation, your opinion is your entitlement, I am disappointed that the reaction on here has been met with hostility and suspicion.
That said, my offer remains open, and to  those who expressed curiosity or interest I will contact at time of launch.
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Re: Private bookmaker

Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:41 pm

Seriously how are you going to profit from arbers?  Arbers take odds from bookmakers that are mathematically certain to make them money.

So for example you offer odds of 2.4 to arbers, when the exchange is laying at 2.3 say, why wouldn't you just use the exchange and lay the 2.3 rather than lay people at 2.4 until you fill your desired quota for that market.

It doesnt make sense, hence bookmakers go to extreme length to find and limit/boot arbers.
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Re: Private bookmaker

Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:26 am

Porsche i will advise you if you want to offer your services here,speak with Arbusers.

Most members are suspicious because they have seen crazy things from the books and i completely understand these guys.

If you provide reliability via forum,most will give a try to your private bookmaker.But,your service is enough risky as most people here bet on good lines.
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Re: Private bookmaker

Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:33 am

Porsche66gn wrote: I think I will withdraw from this conversation, your opinion is your entitlement, I am disappointed that the reaction on here has been met with hostility and suspicion.
That said, my offer remains open, and to  those who expressed curiosity or interest I will contact at time of launch.
That is the wrong thing to do. You should not withdraw because some people are negative. There might be people who are positive ad would like to have a look. Some people are more vocal than others, let's not put all in the same bag.
In addition, some people are negative for all companies, e-wallets, alert services, agents, exchanges, bookmakers, our forum, you name it.

At the same time, it is important that you explain your business model and the way you compile/change odds. We have seen many efforts like this before and they all crashed to the rocks. The latest is indeed mustardbet as previously mentioned by campeones. They had a lot of cash to invest (lose maybe is a better word) and a very, I mean very, experienced management. They also went under as the mathematics of arbing and trading do not forgive mistakes.
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Re: Private bookmaker

Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:29 am

Seriously how are you going to profit from arbers?

Invite deposits and then shut up shop. Similar to Yobetit, Gobetgo, Blacktype, Mustardbet and any other bookmaker that claimed to welcome arbers.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Private bookmaker

Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:50 am

DPG wrote: Seriously how are you going to profit from arbers?

Invite deposits and then shut up shop. Similar to Yobetit, Gobetgo, Blacktype, Mustardbet and any other bookmaker that claimed to welcome arbers.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I believe each case from the above is different. Mustardbet paid everyone in full and honored all bets. It also graded all bets that were to be decided after the shut of the company as winners, even if they were in the end losers.
These people were gentlemen with a perfect corporate ethos. Comparing them with the other 3 is unfair.
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Re: Private bookmaker

Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:24 am

Porsche66gn wrote: That’s an interesting comment you make about “ simple maths” however we don’t agree, a properly run book does not need to factor in arbing to be successful. I appreciate most bookmakers despise it which is good news for what we are offering
I think the reason that many arbers cannot see your business potential is that they compare you with any other book. They all have experienced milking every soft book, while bleeding at a few sharps. They have their own data to convince them. Even pinnacle is being milked, when held up against a liquid market on an exchange. So skepticism is natural.

However, as a private book you could have a very different approach than the common books. For instance: you could have a very narrow selection of markets. What if you have superior knowledge on very specific small-medium leagues and games? You would only offer those markets and you would essentially be value trapping your customers, who would be covered anyways by their bets made on fresh accounts or in shops around the world. You would in principle be milking the bookmakers using your arbers as a medium, much more effectively than if you would do the betting yourself. Pinnacle has done such in the past, except that they cover all common markets.

Such a book as just described could never be public as it probably would quickly be recognized as a central for fixed matches. I do not know your business plan and it probably has nothing to do with the description in this post. It is just meant to illustrate that there can always be more to it than meets the eye.
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Re: Private bookmaker

Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:08 pm

VidaBlue wrote:
Porsche66gn wrote: That’s an interesting comment you make about “ simple maths” however we don’t agree, a properly run book does not need to factor in arbing to be successful. I appreciate most bookmakers despise it which is good news for what we are offering
I think the reason that many arbers cannot see your business potential is that they compare you with any other book. They all have experienced milking every soft book, while bleeding at a few sharps. They have their own data to convince them. Even pinnacle is being milked, when held up against a liquid market on an exchange. So skepticism is natural.

However, as a private book you could have a very different approach than the common books. For instance: you could have a very narrow selection of markets. What if you have superior knowledge on very specific small-medium leagues and games? You would only offer those markets and you would essentially be value trapping your customers, who would be covered anyways by their bets made on fresh accounts or in shops around the world. You would in principle be milking the bookmakers using your arbers as a medium, much more effectively than if you would do the betting yourself. Pinnacle has done such in the past, except that they cover all common markets.

Such a book as just described could never be public as it probably would quickly be recognized as a central for fixed matches. I do not know your business plan and it probably has nothing to do with the description in this post. It is just meant to illustrate that there can always be more to it than meets the eye.
really vidablue, have you actually read the words of the OP? I had to check the date to make sure it was not April 1st?

the book you describe in your post does not exist in this planet, let alone from the clearly "out of his depth" poster.
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Re: Private bookmaker

Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:02 pm

justanarber wrote: really vidablue, have you actually read the words of the OP? I had to check the date to make sure it was not April 1st?

the book you describe in your post does not exist in this planet, let alone from the clearly "out of his depth" poster.
Yes I have read the words of this thread. There have been many postulates in the the past such as "There's only a market for 5 computers in the world", "Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible" or "The house always wins"

Hopefully the OP will elaborate on the business model in this thread giving each individual in here a better chance to evaluate whether the postulate "You cannot profit from arbers" is true.
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Re: Private bookmaker

Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:15 pm

We will not allow this thread to be derailed. Avoid insults and personal confrontations. Already some posts are deleted.
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Re: Private bookmaker

Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:10 am

Sometimes i read comment from Arbers and it is so annoying.

Why would you make something worst if you cannot better it?

Recently, we are losing all the sharp bookies and Limited in every soft and exchange and so we can just try to encourage someone who might be smart or has a good model.

For him to post here, allowed by the owner of the site, means he has contacted him and might have some interesting idea which might be beneficial.

All business, whether scam or not, tend to grow till they find they cannot and i do not think it is fair to kill this guys dream even before he launches. He has not even posted the website and we are all running. Maybe his odds will be the worst in the market and you dont even have to bet there. I have a bookie that has been operating for 10 years now, they pay even 7 percent when you bet on triple and yet no one bets there even when they pay out after 5 mins, why? because their odd is shitty.

This guy can be a scammer or geniune or whatever he is but i am sure he already knows all these problems we are pointing out and when he launches, if you are not interested, then just dont bet or join. All our bettings are at our own risk. Orbit, betfair, pinnacle, dafabet, 1xbet and even bet365, all the big names has held our money once or more than once and yet we still fund them in 5 digits and still betting.

Please guys, let him run, we need things like this.
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Re: Private bookmaker

Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:18 am

in my opinion this guy is a scammer who had come up with a hairbrained plan of trying to get some wealthy arbers to deposit
money with him, which he would keep, a clear and pathetic attempt at fraud, he clearly had no plan and could not answer the simplest
of questions.

a little warning for arbers desperate for new ways to get their bets on when restricted elsewhere, this guy was a joker
but the next guy may not be so stupid?

I am entitled to  my opinion  and Jagas and vidablue are welcome to send this guy their money.

*the OP who wishes to attract arbers, only just joined before posting and hasn't logged in again since his pathetic attempt at fraud was exposed, he's given up already*
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Re: Private bookmaker

Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:51 am

jagas wrote:
Orbit, betfair, pinnacle, dafabet, 1xbet and even bet365, all the big names has held our money once or more than once and yet we still fund them in 5 digits and still betting.
Do you deposit 5 digits to 1xbet ?  :o
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Re: Private bookmaker

Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:04 pm

Do you deposit 5 digits to 1xbet ?  :o
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Maybe in russian ruble  ;D

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