Hello dear arbusers
Im here with my story from my 7 years in arbing...
8 years ago i met some friendly guy in the coffeeshop, he showed me some basic methods how to start witch such a great job like arbing is. After 1 year of trying how arbing and complete betting world works i succesfully become strong arber who loves the feeling when bookie pays for their mistakes in pre match arbing. Another 5 years was the best working years of my life when i take my laptot and went to beach where pronetgaming again missfollowed Bet365'odds and offered 30 % arbs where 2 hours was pretty enough to buy valued line ( arbusers will know what im talking about ) In 2017 i felt like a pro when i was able to predict market moves and placed bets on pinny and covered on pinny before match started after market moved in my favour with like a 9/10 success on my selected leagues. I takes two another years till i realized that i checked betburger all day long, 7 days a week, no christmas, no holidays and then it comes....
It took me a year to understand that loved work became absolutely hated work, i opened positions in negative value only because i did not want to wait till some arb appears. then completely fall into the gambling, The results was absolutely drastic - i lost almost 75% of all income and savings from 7 years of arbing.
when you lose self-discipline you will find out on how thin the ice you are in this smart betting world.
I'm happy I ran away on 2 years of vacation.
Now i feel good to start a new stage of life with some capital ready.
Made some research for actual good options how to make some money online. Im open to go into crypto world or whatevery now works.
I told this story to warn you not to start gambling and asking all of you, is here some ,, friendly guy " like i met in coffeeshop 8 years ago who can give me some advices which way should i choose now in 2022 ? These times are scams everywhere, in crypto especially... I loved this forum, i spent here best years and hope the community here is still the same, want to help others ))
By the way, i still can offer some , gold info " from betting world. And am sure here are lot of guys who make several incomes ( arbing, crypto trading or whatever what makes profit and wont scam me ))
Thx Jane
Sad story from old arber. some suggestions ?
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I am really sorry and sad to read your story. I recall a quote from the old forum: It is a great decadence to become a gambler when you ve been a great arber.
But from every story there is something to be gained and this is not only experience. In these business it is not only the bookmakers and fellow sharp bettors you have to fight with, but first and foremost is is the guy in the mirror. You won the fight with the bookmakers, you won the fight with the fellow sharp bettors, but you lost the fight with the guy in the mirror.
At least, from what I understand, 25% of what you made is still intact to remind that your efforts were not in vain completely.
But trust my words, if you don't win the fight with the guy in the mirror you will, most probably, lose the game in the cryptosphere or any other sphere where mental effort is so dominant.
You became impatient. After years of repetitive success you weren't able to dedicate the time and the patience needed in this job. Money lost its value, because it was pilling up in a rhythm that was not accelerated geometrically. People in the cryptosphere having their charts on a log scale they don't understand the truth in front of their eyes is deliberately manipulated.
In the end, you weren't able to maintain your mental framework and it was corroded.
I have no intention to make you feel sad, but your story is already sad and words don't come easy in cases like this.
portal/smart-gambling-psychology/
But from every story there is something to be gained and this is not only experience. In these business it is not only the bookmakers and fellow sharp bettors you have to fight with, but first and foremost is is the guy in the mirror. You won the fight with the bookmakers, you won the fight with the fellow sharp bettors, but you lost the fight with the guy in the mirror.
At least, from what I understand, 25% of what you made is still intact to remind that your efforts were not in vain completely.
But trust my words, if you don't win the fight with the guy in the mirror you will, most probably, lose the game in the cryptosphere or any other sphere where mental effort is so dominant.
You became impatient. After years of repetitive success you weren't able to dedicate the time and the patience needed in this job. Money lost its value, because it was pilling up in a rhythm that was not accelerated geometrically. People in the cryptosphere having their charts on a log scale they don't understand the truth in front of their eyes is deliberately manipulated.
In the end, you weren't able to maintain your mental framework and it was corroded.
I have no intention to make you feel sad, but your story is already sad and words don't come easy in cases like this.
portal/smart-gambling-psychology/
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I cant understand you as i have never gambled.
But as for the other points, this sphere is very different from 7 years ago. Its way more difficult. No guy at a coffee shop can help anyone. Even 2 years ago it was way better than now. I would still advise people to start it. But to start now you have to put as much work as any other field if not more. And you should have specialized knowledge in IT and odds movement.
In crypto we are still early but not for trading. You are late for that. Gone are the days when in crypto were only the hodling guys and the technical analysis guys. Now the number of participants categories is so large that the trading model has become too complicated already. But there are many profitable projects in crypto and new strategies are coming out every day. I think we will have at least 5 good years of projects there until it becomes an almost efficient market. I am trying to position myself accordingly but still dont feel at ease as it is too dynamic to keep track of everything.
But as for the other points, this sphere is very different from 7 years ago. Its way more difficult. No guy at a coffee shop can help anyone. Even 2 years ago it was way better than now. I would still advise people to start it. But to start now you have to put as much work as any other field if not more. And you should have specialized knowledge in IT and odds movement.
In crypto we are still early but not for trading. You are late for that. Gone are the days when in crypto were only the hodling guys and the technical analysis guys. Now the number of participants categories is so large that the trading model has become too complicated already. But there are many profitable projects in crypto and new strategies are coming out every day. I think we will have at least 5 good years of projects there until it becomes an almost efficient market. I am trying to position myself accordingly but still dont feel at ease as it is too dynamic to keep track of everything.
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Maybe you lost the respect for money and arbing. I don't understand very well how you lost 75% of your earnings. If you have the strenght to continuous doing arbing, do it. If not, let's go to another market. Anyway, never lost the perspective about how much money are you winning, and how difficult is for normal people to earn 10-15-20k monthly. People fight everyday to win 1000€/month. Maybe you become too much egocentric, and you thought that it will lasts forever. I am not sure. Just you can find the answers.
Good luck.
Good luck.
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So you think the median arbing guy makes 15K monthly ? Or are you talking for the good old days ?CharlieSheen99 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:21 pmMaybe you lost the respect for money and arbing. I don't understand very well how you lost 75% of your earnings. If you have the strenght to continuous doing arbing, do it. If not, let's go to another market. Anyway, never lost the perspective about how much money are you winning, and how difficult is for normal people to earn 10-15-20k monthly. People fight everyday to win 1000€/month. Maybe you become too much egocentric, and you thought that it will lasts forever. I am not sure. Just you can find the answers.
Good luck.
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I don't know how much make each arber. I just put some random numbers.
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It is a fact the average monthly profit from arbing has gone down these last years.CharlieSheen99 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:12 pmI don't know how much make each arber. I just put some random numbers.
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About how much money win each arber, i don't really know. I have the feeling that a lot (i mean a lot) of people quit.
And i think that the people that still arbing, are big whales, old arbers....., but these are my feelings, i am sure that Arbusers has a better picture about it.
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Yes, it is.arbusers wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:14 pmIt is a fact the average monthly profit from arbing has gone down these last years.CharlieSheen99 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:12 pmI don't know how much make each arber. I just put some random numbers.
About how much money win each arber, i don't really know. I have the feeling that a lot (i mean a lot) of people quit.
And i think that the people that still arbing, are big whales, old arbers....., but these are my feelings, i am sure that Arbusers has a better picture about it.
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At first, it completely puzzled me how Jane could lose most of the bankroll from arbing?? Was almost tempted to say that something doesn't add up.
I began arbing before switching to value betting. During arbing, I would become devastated by even the smallest loss as every trade in principle, should lead to a new ATH. It was only about accounting and avoiding mistakes.
Value betting on the other hand, is where gambling psychology may come much more into place. You may become addicted to the excitement of following matches, although your prematch bets are already placed. In arbing, it didn't matter really. You may become careless, lose discipline and deviate from your strategy due to long losing or winning streaks, either feeling like shit or like a champion. Arbing was just a flat fixed salary proportional to the amount of arbs.
But maybe it was excactly in the transition from arbing to something else, that things went wrong. "In 2017 i felt like a pro when i was able to predict market moves". This is the poison creating gambling addicts. The best clients are those who begin by winning, feeling like pros, getting that sense of success. What follows after, is an eternal hunt for that same feeling. Dangerous.
So maybe Jane was unlucky in the sense that Jane had a "lucky" winning streak when trying to predict the market moves and then was made to believe it was a long term profitable pattern.
I began arbing before switching to value betting. During arbing, I would become devastated by even the smallest loss as every trade in principle, should lead to a new ATH. It was only about accounting and avoiding mistakes.
Value betting on the other hand, is where gambling psychology may come much more into place. You may become addicted to the excitement of following matches, although your prematch bets are already placed. In arbing, it didn't matter really. You may become careless, lose discipline and deviate from your strategy due to long losing or winning streaks, either feeling like shit or like a champion. Arbing was just a flat fixed salary proportional to the amount of arbs.
But maybe it was excactly in the transition from arbing to something else, that things went wrong. "In 2017 i felt like a pro when i was able to predict market moves". This is the poison creating gambling addicts. The best clients are those who begin by winning, feeling like pros, getting that sense of success. What follows after, is an eternal hunt for that same feeling. Dangerous.
So maybe Jane was unlucky in the sense that Jane had a "lucky" winning streak when trying to predict the market moves and then was made to believe it was a long term profitable pattern.
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Jane was Unlucky because she did the basic mistakes we all do. When Arbing you dont need to be Human. You dont need to gamble. Just cover both sides regardless if the odds drops or a goal is scored.
I remember making this mistake few months ago and i lost thousands of euros through it.
Arbing will last forever but will be more difficult with time just as everything else, Warren Buffet dont make same money easily as he does in stocks and same does not Bill gates. They only make more because they diversify or added to their old strategy. So as it gets tough, the tough will keep going but it will stop for you, if you fail to advance as the bookies advance.
Trust me some arbers still make 20k euros per month and more just arbing but forget it, they will never tell you how.
I remember making this mistake few months ago and i lost thousands of euros through it.
Arbing will last forever but will be more difficult with time just as everything else, Warren Buffet dont make same money easily as he does in stocks and same does not Bill gates. They only make more because they diversify or added to their old strategy. So as it gets tough, the tough will keep going but it will stop for you, if you fail to advance as the bookies advance.
Trust me some arbers still make 20k euros per month and more just arbing but forget it, they will never tell you how.
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vidablue > story is simple, during my betting career i did first 5 years strictly only arbing, then added trading ( as mentoined ) and then moved to valuebetting where BF showed me a lot of ,, shady matches " where i bet like 10 k eur FH home win @ 2.4 and lay when match starts was like 1.3 , wins was azaming but there i lost control and respect to this betting style. When loss series came even i had extreme valued bets it ends like 40 k e lost in one week, then i totally lost concentration on valuebetting and loosed fight with the guy in the mirror like arbusers said. Now you maybe understand how fast my bankroll gained from arbing was lower and lower cause of bf ,, fake " lays in a series.
I learned during my career one friend who has two jobs, valuebetting ( non fulltime ) is still making him nice numbers in these times so i know theres still some juice to drink. I know have a lot of skill to be able start again BUT.... After 2 holidays years im fully concentrated with ,, fresh brain " looking for new buissness but buissness where i will lost money because my faults, no because somebody scam me..
Thank you guys for this conversation.
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All i did is only because stable profit 5-6 k e from prematch arbing was not enough for me, want to make more 'n more. Finally i paid for my desire for profit a lot, it costs me almost everything. And now im not crying here, as i said just trying to get some point where to go. Every research, learning in the new space will be made by me.
I learned during my career one friend who has two jobs, valuebetting ( non fulltime ) is still making him nice numbers in these times so i know theres still some juice to drink. I know have a lot of skill to be able start again BUT.... After 2 holidays years im fully concentrated with ,, fresh brain " looking for new buissness but buissness where i will lost money because my faults, no because somebody scam me..
Thank you guys for this conversation.
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All i did is only because stable profit 5-6 k e from prematch arbing was not enough for me, want to make more 'n more. Finally i paid for my desire for profit a lot, it costs me almost everything. And now im not crying here, as i said just trying to get some point where to go. Every research, learning in the new space will be made by me.
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Also Jane, while you are researching for something new be quite careful as everyone wants to take everyones money now.
I also had similar feeling back in 2018 and remember investing in 2 genuine companies over 80,000euros and i didnt get back one cent from them even though they ran profit with Crypto skyrocketting.
wasted additional 1000 pounds trying to get a Uk Lawyer. Well i am sure you know about this things
I also had similar feeling back in 2018 and remember investing in 2 genuine companies over 80,000euros and i didnt get back one cent from them even though they ran profit with Crypto skyrocketting.
wasted additional 1000 pounds trying to get a Uk Lawyer. Well i am sure you know about this things
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stop gambling, find job, buy bitcoin and forget that you buy it for 10 years.