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Re: saverbets

Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:40 pm

NXV wrote: what ppintaluba is trying to say is that you can basically play your so called 'saverbets' with every other surebet alert service as well. betburger for example, you just have to click on one button to calculate the stakes for your favoured outcome ;)
thanks for your reply , i would just like to say i did not invent , conjure up the term , saverbets , google " what is a saverbet " you will see some discussion there , also one of the online calculator website , has a saverbet calculator ,  I THINK it is www.bet calc.com , but they have a problem because the example they give is not a saverbet at all , if you back the home team and the draw in soccer but not the away team that cannot be a real saverbet, if the away team does win you lose 2 bets .
i do not understand your comment regarding betburger , i give the wager amounts required for each trade without clicking anything , i have a default wager of $500.00 on the prime bet , if this is too much then you just click the variable stake calc and select the stake you want and the new wager amounts come up immediately , how is this a fault, have you actually had a look at the tables in the program ?
what i do not quite get with most of the replies i have been getting in this forum , is the objection to the term , saverbets , as i have said i did not first invent the term , if anyone has never heard of the term , saverbets , why do they object to it .
indeed the administrator of this forum has told me he does not know what a saverbet is , because you do not know what something is , you have never heard of it , it must be no good , well i know what a saverbet is , it is a genuine free bet ,  and i know very very well what an arbs is  , and i know which is the better .
how you can " play " or compare my saverbets program with the other arb , sure bets programs i do not know , with an arbs trade you are going to get a win irrespective of the result , with a saverbet you are going to get a win only if your prime bet wins , but no win , no loss either , you get all of your money back , you are getting a freebet.and because you are only looking for a win from one of the 2 or 3 bets your return must be higher , must be because you are wagering more on your prime bet , you are loading it up , with the savers you are only wagering enough to cover your primebet stake , you do not want to win anything with your savers
and in the program there are 3 seperate tables , favourites , underdog and draw , you can follow any you choose , but it is a trading program not a gambling , good luck ,  palindon
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Re: saverbets

Sat Apr 30, 2016 9:14 pm

Palindon.
Your software may be excellent. I don't say no. I didn't use it.
But you keep explaining the same obvious concept. It's clear. I understand what you mean by saverbet. And reading other user's posts, I see NXV understands, Thordin understands, Kokos understands. I guess everybody understands.
It's a basic concept. It'n not new.
You are just putting a name on something many arbers already use. Placing an arb to win only on one side (such as on the soft book, or on the favorite, i.e.)
Betburger can do this.

And I'm 100% sure the administrator knows how to place a biased arb  ;)
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Re: saverbets

Sat Apr 30, 2016 11:28 pm

ppintaluba wrote: Palindon.
Your software may be excellent. I don't say no. I didn't use it.
But you keep explaining the same obvious concept. It's clear. I understand what you mean by saverbet. And reading other user's posts, I see NXV understands, Thordin understands, Kokos understands. I guess everybody understands.
It's a basic concept. It'n not new.
You are just putting a name on something many arbers already use. Placing an arb to win only on one side (such as on the soft book, or on the favorite, i.e.)
Betburger can do this.

And I'm 100% sure the administrator knows how to place a biased arb  ;)
thanks for your reply , i would point out that i have never said it was new, i have never said i conjured up the words , saverbets, i seem to copping flack about these to words, i suggest you google , what are saverbets , there is a bit of discussion there none of which is mine and as i say , i think it is , betcalc.com that give an example of a saverbret , nothing to do with me , and as you rightly say you have not seen the tables ( and you cannot open it at present , there is still a problem with the 12 day trial registration box , so do not try .
my arbs program has biased bets in it , i know what a biased bet is , and you may well be able to alter anything in betburger , but does this take time? and the question i asked the administrator , do you know what a saverbet is and he said no , all of these comments seem to about the use of the 2 words , saver bets ..
thanks palindon
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Re: saverbets

Sun May 01, 2016 1:11 am

Hi guys,
I read forum  a lot and decided to join

How do you make money from biased arbs or you can call it saver or whatever?
Guess  you have odds 1.3 and 5.
It is arb of 3.17%. You bet  100$ on 1.3 and 26$ on 5 and you earn 4$.
If we do what palindon says we bet 100$ on 1.3 and 25$ on 5. Profit is 5$.

But,

In that case 1 in 5 bets will be winning at odd 5(it is "true " probability). So it would be like this 5+5+5+5+0=20 and it is same as 4+4+4+4+4=20. Only thing you can get is gambling buzz, but your profit will be the same.

Am I wrong?
Does anyone do this arbing one side, and is yours profit higher?
Or is it maybe about taking sharps juice and real odd is 5.13 and not 5?
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Re: saverbets

Sun May 01, 2016 12:48 pm

Your math is correct in theory. In practice, odds are not true probability, specially in an arb where one side has more value than the other, generally. So it can make sense to bias the arb to the value side (which can be the favorite side or not).
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Re: saverbets

Sun May 01, 2016 1:10 pm

zarak wrote: Hi guys,
I read forum  a lot and decided to join

How do you make money from biased arbs or you can call it saver or whatever?
Guess  you have odds 1.3 and 5.
It is arb of 3.17%. You bet  100$ on 1.3 and 26$ on 5 and you earn 4$.
If we do what palindon says we bet 100$ on 1.3 and 25$ on 5. Profit is 5$.

But,

In that case 1 in 5 bets will be winning at odd 5(it is "true " probability). So it would be like this 5+5+5+5+0=20 and it is same as 4+4+4+4+4=20. Only thing you can get is gambling buzz, but your profit will be the same.

Am I wrong?
Does anyone do this arbing one side, and is yours profit higher?
Or is it maybe about taking sharps juice and real odd is 5.13 and not 5?
Hello I am especially looking for this kind of arbing. Because our site
offers you 50% of your deposit back, and like you said In that case 1 in 5 bets will be winning at odd 5(it is "true " probability) I would loose my deposit 4 times and won 1 time on our site where i cant make a withdraw but i would make another arbs so i transfer that invested money initally .
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Re: saverbets

Sun May 01, 2016 9:04 pm

ppintaluba wrote: Your math is correct in theory. In practice, odds are not true probability, specially in an arb where one side has more value than the other, generally. So it can make sense to bias the arb to the value side (which can be the favorite side or not).
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indeed , my arbs program has a biased bet option i if i was marketing it , i would urge customers to use the biased bet function .
in my savers bets program i have taken the bias to the limit , i have saverbets on the favourites , the underdog and the draw , so you can take your pick and in some sports like the NBA , where a couple of years ago i carried out a trial for 12 weeks backing the fav in every game then the underdog for 12 weeks, the underdog does get up quite often , then back/lay savers on the  favs and soon i hope back/lay for the underdog and the draw .
very good returns the the B/L savers and the primebet is always with the bookie so it is always 500 , which is the default , change it to what you want .
if i was using the program and i do not , i do not think it is ethical to use something like this if you are also offering it for sale , i would alter the default  to maybe 200 , if a bookie starts banning customers who wager 200 then not much hope for any of us, the lay bet with betfair is always the same as the back stake ( this is absolutely correct in a B/L saverbet if you think differently i am not interested ) there will never be a banning problem with the lay bet amount , betfair want you to win , good luck ( and still there is problems with the registration /log ins for the 12 day free trial )
not sure if you agree with me when i say the biggest problem you have as an arber is the fact that you have to make " funny " bets ( biased bets helps for sure ) and so the bookie ID 's you and limits you , well i think i can produce an arbs service where the bookies will not ban you and i will give it a try provided i get a bit of my 50/60k i have spent so far back from these savers or the sale of my arbs program , good luck , palindon
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Re: saverbets

Mon May 02, 2016 9:10 pm

cureboy81 wrote: i send you Pm ok?!
that was , mario,sonic.zelda ??? have replied to that address , thanks palindon
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Re: saverbets

Mon May 02, 2016 9:45 pm

cureboy81 wrote: thanx,advised me if you can again with email.


ok have replied to you , mine is  donar@westnet.com.au
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Re: saverbets

Tue May 03, 2016 4:46 pm

I would like a trila mate

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Re: saverbets

Tue May 03, 2016 9:13 pm

AGUAPANELA wrote: I would like a trila mate

edgar.naranjo.pc@hotmail.com
got your message , we are having a bit of a problem at present with the log ins for the 12 day free trial , my programmer will get it fixed in the next couple of days or i get a new programmer, i will make a post on arbusers when it is definately ready to go, palindon
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Re: saverbets

Wed May 11, 2016 7:17 pm

fire777 wrote: palindon@mail.com
no longer works, the emails come back.
Now I begin to worry, we're talking serious guys or with unreliable people?
i tried mail.com for a week , i did not like it so i closed it down , my email address is , donar@westnet.com.au, palindon
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Re: saverbets

Thu May 12, 2016 8:21 pm

fire777 wrote:
YourOwnDisease wrote: So, anyone tried this in practice? Got some profit?
from 2015 to advertise saverbets, but so far I have not read any testimony that the software does earn money. Since April I joined the free trial of their site, but the software does not work.
We are waiting for us to finally communicate palindon who have repaired their software.
Finally if you really earn the saverbets ago, I can not explain why their site only has 10 visits per day.
http://websitepart.com/www/saverbets.com
i believe the problems with the log ins for the 12 day free trial has now been fixed , i have logged in myself successfully , in my win10 laptop, to-day i have to open two more mailboxes and try and open new accounts using my XP Pro desktop and then my ZP Home laptop, then i will know it will work ok in win10 and the 2 XP's.
my problem is that is does not work in my web site guy's win10 desktop and no one knows why , A/V ? firewall , do not know., but i will post a message on arbusers to-morrow i hope that all is ok to try it out .
do not understand why you mention only 10 people a day visit  the site , the only one i have ever submitted it to is arbusers , it is new , never advertised anywhere , only being used by one guy here in australia who helped out in the early stages so he gets it for nothing , what is sinister about only 10 visits a day ? palindon
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Re: saverbets

Sat May 14, 2016 12:23 pm

He requested your emails now you install software that doesn't work.I would check my computer and change my email :D
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Re: saverbets

Sat May 14, 2016 2:28 pm

I would be wary of installing unknown software.  Maybe worth a clean re-install as Anti-Virus software will probably not pick up a specially written virus that is not well spread.  (Not saying the software is malware but better to be safe than have an emply betfair and Skrill)

The whole saverbets sounds like a load of tosh anyway lol
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