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Some impressions regarding cases from the end of 2021. Value caught, lessons learned, missed chances, and so on

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Re: Some impressions regarding cases from the end of 2021. Value caught, lessons learned, missed chances, and so on

Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:11 pm

@Neopas,
I'm sure you'll learn a lot from the material, but please implement it in your way, due to the simple fact, that the theory is applicable in the ideal situation, seldom seen in reality. The theory is like a pre-beta version for real use at the moment you read it. The theory is based upon reality at a given moment, when the Authors created it, but of course, things later change and you have to adapt and build current working model.

Congrats again for your success regarding Volos. :)
Please, re-read the post I've addressed to you regarding their match vs. PAO. Seems like you're tending to use the "picking the winner" model.
I don't want to cause problems for you. When noticed a huge value in some appearances of that team in the Super League, triggered by my model, I didn't tell you to take a position in their favor every time. That is very, very dangerous behavior. A long successful winning streak, when you enter in every market, when no value in every event, but in there is some value in some events, is probably a lucky deviation.
My goal is not to pick the winner in a given market, but regardin' to The Probability Theory, the probability for a group of events is possible to be estimated much more precisely. Such as weather forecasting, meteorologists based upon statistics processing, successfully "predict" the weather for most of the days (group of events), but they're unable to "predict" accurately 100 percent the weather successfully for a given day or hour interval. The systematic approach is much better for the business.

They've some ground for their success. Let's say their creation (unsuccessful negotiations to merge Olympiacos and Niki in their city), the very valued South Americans hired for almost no money; Abascal's manner of work (talented, but not so experienced, asking for too fast results without counting some specificities regardin' Greek soccer, therefore later results are logic). 4-3-3 not-very-effective implemented attacking style was slightly modified by Bratsos later, van Weert is now more effective, some corrections needed and they're ready for Top 6. That's up to them only.
Often they produced heavy dominance and very good first or second half of the match, but seldom whole match dominance.
The match vs Aris Thessaloniki away - they shotted only 2-3 times (as far as I recall) for the whole match, somewhere in the last 15 mins, unlike traditional behavior for them. Odds over 6, good, but risky.
Vs AEK away - odds over 7 or something, good and I support your spotted value, due to AEK's strugglin' and general problems in the second place battle vs PAOK. Low scoring model lately for them.
Ionikos, not have so much data collected to comment on, but Volos's guns were so inefficient here, very large dominance, only one scored and weak defense. Not to mention that Ionikos almost stop PAO days ago. Tough team.
Lately, VolosNFC triggered some value on some matches when it comes to spread difference market, not 1x2 market. But that's not tested precisely yet!

I don't know about future odds for that team, but the odds compilers, such as Stoiximan/Betano/OPAP related group, the Asian odds makers etc several times gave us a good value so far.

In a very similar way was evolve the Basket team Promitheas Patras, but here odds makers recently almost killed the value on them, unlike Volos soccer team. But sometimes it appears a little value to backing or laying them, such as spread market, in both Eurocup and the domestic Championship. Make your own research on that case.
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Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:20 pm

I am sorry to intervene, but it seems to me there is far more value in basketball in comparison to football (soccer). Bookmakers are not that efficient when it comes to smaller teams and lower leagues. For sure someone with knowledge in the game and up to date general info, can do a bookmaker's job very well.
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Re: Some impressions regarding cases from the end of 2021. Value caught, lessons learned, missed chances, and so on

Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:42 pm

arbusers wrote:
Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:20 pm
I am sorry to intervene, but it seems to me there is far more value in basketball in comparison to football (soccer). Bookmakers are not that efficient when it comes to smaller teams and lower leagues. For sure someone with knowledge in the game and up to date general info, can do a bookmaker's job very well.
I'm grateful for that opinion. I personally thought about that, especially when it comes to NCAA basketball, but margins, usually produced by the agencies in these lower levels were disgusting. Soon will diggin' again in that.
Olimpia Milan also produces from time to time some "unbelievable", but well paid positions. Not to mention Deutscher Basketball, and some others.
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Re: Some impressions regarding cases from the end of 2021. Value caught, lessons learned, missed chances, and so on

Sun Oct 23, 2022 5:28 pm

Anyone noticed the value carry over from Volos? I guess bookmakers know the team very well now, but those who knew, were able to get unreal odds for Volos until now.
The party is now over.
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Re: Some impressions regarding cases from the end of 2021. Value caught, lessons learned, missed chances, and so on

Sun Oct 23, 2022 8:03 pm

arbusers wrote:
Sun Oct 23, 2022 5:28 pm
Anyone noticed the value carry over from Volos? I guess bookmakers know the team very well now, but those who knew, were able to get unreal odds for Volos until now.
The party is now over.
@ Arbusers,
In the last Greek Championship, they were Fast and Furious in some initial stage and a bit later, but then they were tired and further mentally absent from the field. Now they have grown up, and so have the bookies. My opinion on the Volos team this year, so far:
- My last play with them was away vs AEK. Unfortunately, the hedged position "ate" the beautiful odds and huge profit for the victory of the away team, but proven risk management dictated that. The practiced risk management has secured my career so far, missed big wins are the price for that. But in the very long run, that's pretty OK.
- They are mature this year, but some interruptions and failures on their way are not unpredictable soon. So, everything is good odds catching when that's on its way. The issue of chances and risk management. So I'll be wrapping up my side projects on other sports soon and refocusing on Volos again.
- I don't know why, but some analogy of Volos with Wimbledon and Bobby Gould/Vinnie Jones comes up...
- I've spotted these specific stages of some matches where they practice a sort of "controlled pseudo-chaos". Especially at that stage, the bookmakers aren't so strong. :)
I don't mean 1x2 markets here.

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