Charts and volumes of concluded trades on the market in FairExchange have disappeared.
Clearing cache, different browser, rebooting did not help.
Premium Trading support service wrote that they have informed FairExchange about the problem.
Day 2, the problem is still there. Does anyone else have this problem? I would like to know if this problem is just me or everyone?
There's a problem with the charts on FairExchange
- A2format
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There's a problem with the charts on FairExchange
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- arb12
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Hello Mr. A2Format,
Let's say you're a Modeler.
In this case, the most basic chart that Betfair Exchange provides you is "Price/Volume over Time" and nothing more.
You could develop your own short-term, medium-term and long-term graphics, convenient for tracking a single team/league/jockey/something else, or even build on-the-fly your own custom ultra-short-term graphics, limited within a sole event and not outside it (this type of chart Betfair provides you with to some heavily limited extent).
Your deep-thought process will invent those formulated moving averages (or other types of curves) that are most appropriate for each individual specific case in your graphical analysis according to your own probabilistic Model, both pre-match & live. It is such a flexible analytical Tool, limited only by your experience and your own brainstorming process.
A basic example of an extremely simplified long-term graphic (20 years) is shown at the end of this posting:
viewtopic.php?p=99208#p99208
but the cogitations on what is seen on this custom chart, combined with the analysis of a plethora of other custom-made charts (I can't afford to publish these ones), as well as the cogitations on the results of various backtestings, plus the analyses of deep custom-made Stats, have derived good probabilities for the season finale of the two mentioned teams inside - PAO & OLY.
Naturally, every Human Creation contains inevitable errors, but learning from those errors and the constant evolution and further development of your Model is the natural way to improve.
Last but not least - the great enjoyment of creating and improving your own Model and forecasts in the "That Works!" - confirmed status, instead of using external help.
I hope this helps you take your work to a level beyond the various charts, alert services, and software provided by someone else.
Re: There's a problem with the charts on FairExchange
A2format wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 10:19 amCharts and volumes of concluded trades on the market in FairExchange have disappeared.
Clearing cache, different browser, rebooting did not help.
Premium Trading support service wrote that they have informed FairExchange about the problem.
Day 2, the problem is still there. Does anyone else have this problem? I would like to know if this problem is just me or everyone?
Hello Mr. A2Format,
Let's say you're a Modeler.
In this case, the most basic chart that Betfair Exchange provides you is "Price/Volume over Time" and nothing more.
You could develop your own short-term, medium-term and long-term graphics, convenient for tracking a single team/league/jockey/something else, or even build on-the-fly your own custom ultra-short-term graphics, limited within a sole event and not outside it (this type of chart Betfair provides you with to some heavily limited extent).
Your deep-thought process will invent those formulated moving averages (or other types of curves) that are most appropriate for each individual specific case in your graphical analysis according to your own probabilistic Model, both pre-match & live. It is such a flexible analytical Tool, limited only by your experience and your own brainstorming process.
A basic example of an extremely simplified long-term graphic (20 years) is shown at the end of this posting:
viewtopic.php?p=99208#p99208
but the cogitations on what is seen on this custom chart, combined with the analysis of a plethora of other custom-made charts (I can't afford to publish these ones), as well as the cogitations on the results of various backtestings, plus the analyses of deep custom-made Stats, have derived good probabilities for the season finale of the two mentioned teams inside - PAO & OLY.
Naturally, every Human Creation contains inevitable errors, but learning from those errors and the constant evolution and further development of your Model is the natural way to improve.
Last but not least - the great enjoyment of creating and improving your own Model and forecasts in the "That Works!" - confirmed status, instead of using external help.
I hope this helps you take your work to a level beyond the various charts, alert services, and software provided by someone else.
- A2format
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- Karma: 2
Post
Yes, I agree, Betfair's charts are extremely poor and uninformative.
But my problem is not with the visualization, nor with the availability of mathematical models, but with the sufficient information available. Do you have the same problem with FairExchange charts?
I use Qt for visualization, so there is no problem with visualization, the main thing is that the data is available. What framework do you use?
In short: the mafia clans in my country have written “laws” for themselves, banning all bookmakers and closing access to the websites of other bookmakers (hundreds) at the level of the national provider, and allowing only their 2 bookmakers (recreational fraudsters) to work (VPN does not help, you can get banned for VPS from the bookmakers themselves). Thus, I worked with Betfair API - access to the site was closed (Betfair did not want to buy a license for $5 million), I switched to Matchbook API - they left in six months, and then closed the access to the site, and Pinnacle closed the others. Only brokers remained. And here, either there is no API and will not be (FairExchange), or it is problematic or expensive.
Backtesting using Betfair data - there are minute bars (it's free, but it's very expensive for me to buy tick data, and it's unlikely that anyone will share such data for free). And backtesting with minute bars can be significantly distorted. Or, you can collect tick data yourself, but without an API, it is problematic.
And sometimes, to quickly test some ideas, I even need data, such as bad Betfair charts, to understand. Although, of course, my own data and my own charts are much better when it comes to developing, testing, and logging bot performance.
Re: There's a problem with the charts on FairExchange
Thank you for your detailed answer and examples of your visualization.arb12 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 12:53 amA2format wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 10:19 amCharts and volumes of concluded trades on the market in FairExchange have disappeared.
Clearing cache, different browser, rebooting did not help.
Premium Trading support service wrote that they have informed FairExchange about the problem.
Day 2, the problem is still there. Does anyone else have this problem? I would like to know if this problem is just me or everyone?
Hello Mr. A2Format,
Let's say you're a Modeler.
In this case, the most basic chart that Betfair Exchange provides you is "Price/Volume over Time" and nothing more.
You could develop your own short-term, medium-term and long-term graphics, convenient for tracking a single team/league/jockey/something else, or even build on-the-fly your own custom ultra-short-term graphics, limited within a sole event and not outside it (this type of chart Betfair provides you with to some heavily limited extent).
Your deep-thought process will invent those formulated moving averages (or other types of curves) that are most appropriate for each individual specific case in your graphical analysis according to your own probabilistic Model, both pre-match & live. It is such a flexible analytical Tool, limited only by your experience and your own brainstorming process.
A basic example of an extremely simplified long-term graphic (20 years) is shown at the end of this posting:
viewtopic.php?p=99208#p99208
but the cogitations on what is seen on this custom chart, combined with the analysis of a plethora of other custom-made charts (I can't afford to publish these ones), as well as the cogitations on the results of various backtestings, plus the analyses of deep custom-made Stats, have derived good probabilities for the season finale of the two mentioned teams inside - PAO & OLY.
Naturally, every Human Creation contains inevitable errors, but learning from those errors and the constant evolution and further development of your Model is the natural way to improve.
Last but not least - the great enjoyment of creating and improving your own Model and forecasts in the "That Works!" - confirmed status, instead of using external help.
I hope this helps you take your work to a level beyond the various charts, alert services, and software provided by someone else.
Yes, I agree, Betfair's charts are extremely poor and uninformative.
But my problem is not with the visualization, nor with the availability of mathematical models, but with the sufficient information available. Do you have the same problem with FairExchange charts?
I use Qt for visualization, so there is no problem with visualization, the main thing is that the data is available. What framework do you use?
In short: the mafia clans in my country have written “laws” for themselves, banning all bookmakers and closing access to the websites of other bookmakers (hundreds) at the level of the national provider, and allowing only their 2 bookmakers (recreational fraudsters) to work (VPN does not help, you can get banned for VPS from the bookmakers themselves). Thus, I worked with Betfair API - access to the site was closed (Betfair did not want to buy a license for $5 million), I switched to Matchbook API - they left in six months, and then closed the access to the site, and Pinnacle closed the others. Only brokers remained. And here, either there is no API and will not be (FairExchange), or it is problematic or expensive.
Backtesting using Betfair data - there are minute bars (it's free, but it's very expensive for me to buy tick data, and it's unlikely that anyone will share such data for free). And backtesting with minute bars can be significantly distorted. Or, you can collect tick data yourself, but without an API, it is problematic.
And sometimes, to quickly test some ideas, I even need data, such as bad Betfair charts, to understand. Although, of course, my own data and my own charts are much better when it comes to developing, testing, and logging bot performance.
- arb12
- Totally Pro
- Karma: 30
Post
That's the main idea of my previous post: whatever they do, whatever they want to forbid/ to restrict you, whatever the cost of desired Data / lack of Data you've experienced / restriction of access that you are currently experiencing, finally your Creative Brain will invent something and is goin' to overcome all circumstances, thus no repressive / restrictive tool in History can overcome Open-Minded Human Imagination / Creative Thinking of a free-minded Personality.
No matter how inaccessible/expensive/forbidden/limited the desired Data is - you will just have to start from Scratch, i.e. constantly watching & digging' into the desired kind of Sport: X, Y or Z, as deeply as possible, and let me assure you, sooner or later, you will get some ideas, and what kind of Data from what you see on the pitch is most valuable and exactly how to estimate them properly, and should be put into your own Statistics / Models, and one day you will enter into the "ΕΥΡΗΚΑ!" - status!
That way unavailability of a popular Data stream won't limit you. But you have to work steadily from the Big Bang moment when you've created your own Method.
Now let me answer your questions.
- BetFair/9Wickets/etc/etc air this "data", but I personally hardly look at it over time, maybe 2-3 times/yearly. On the one hand, it is almost uninformative and limited for my Models, on the other hand, BEWARE, when a single event is extended over time, I mean the source-provider changes the scalability of the chart.
I rely on my own collected and empirically proven Data set to be observed from what's happened on the pitch in the long-, short- and medium-term custom-defined, appropriate for each individual specific case intervals of Delta T, and I advise you to try this. That way you don't need to buy tick-data, simply collect your carefully chosen parameters/variables for a very long time and use advanced instrumentation, such as interpolations, extrapolations and so forth;
Possible outdated info: If you wish to use (free?) Pinnacle API under some conditions, you may use PS3838 (I don't know whether that's the contemporary case and you should ask the support).
If you do that, the next piece of advice I may give you is to observe the scalability between Pinny/Exch and act accordingly.
- You can use whatever you are comfortable with, for example, Open Office / Libre Office are open source (i.e. programmable the way you want) and more powerful than popular software for long-term charts, back-testing and various kinds of analyses, not to mention creating stunning extremely fast and flexible graphics without limitations directly in the Terminal (Console) under Python or whatever else is comfortable for you.
Again, the only limitation is your imagination (and free time available).
Last but not least, I'm pretty sure the top-notch quality of your own observations and analytical work on-the-fly, is not possible at all for any bot/soft.
Wish you happy Modeling!
Re: There's a problem with the charts on FairExchange
A2format wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:05 amThank you for your detailed answer and examples of your visualization.arb12 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 12:53 amA2format wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 10:19 amCharts and volumes of concluded trades on the market in FairExchange have disappeared.
Clearing cache, different browser, rebooting did not help.
Premium Trading support service wrote that they have informed FairExchange about the problem.
Day 2, the problem is still there. Does anyone else have this problem? I would like to know if this problem is just me or everyone?
Hello Mr. A2Format,
Let's say you're a Modeler.
In this case, the most basic chart that Betfair Exchange provides you is "Price/Volume over Time" and nothing more.
You could develop your own short-term, medium-term and long-term graphics, convenient for tracking a single team/league/jockey/something else, or even build on-the-fly your own custom ultra-short-term graphics, limited within a sole event and not outside it (this type of chart Betfair provides you with to some heavily limited extent).
Your deep-thought process will invent those formulated moving averages (or other types of curves) that are most appropriate for each individual specific case in your graphical analysis according to your own probabilistic Model, both pre-match & live. It is such a flexible analytical Tool, limited only by your experience and your own brainstorming process.
A basic example of an extremely simplified long-term graphic (20 years) is shown at the end of this posting:
viewtopic.php?p=99208#p99208
but the cogitations on what is seen on this custom chart, combined with the analysis of a plethora of other custom-made charts (I can't afford to publish these ones), as well as the cogitations on the results of various backtestings, plus the analyses of deep custom-made Stats, have derived good probabilities for the season finale of the two mentioned teams inside - PAO & OLY.
Naturally, every Human Creation contains inevitable errors, but learning from those errors and the constant evolution and further development of your Model is the natural way to improve.
Last but not least - the great enjoyment of creating and improving your own Model and forecasts in the "That Works!" - confirmed status, instead of using external help.
I hope this helps you take your work to a level beyond the various charts, alert services, and software provided by someone else.
Yes, I agree, Betfair's charts are extremely poor and uninformative.
But my problem is not with the visualization, nor with the availability of mathematical models, but with the sufficient information available. Do you have the same problem with FairExchange charts?
I use Qt for visualization, so there is no problem with visualization, the main thing is that the data is available. What framework do you use?
In short: the mafia clans in my country have written “laws” for themselves, banning all bookmakers and closing access to the websites of other bookmakers (hundreds) at the level of the national provider, and allowing only their 2 bookmakers (recreational fraudsters) to work (VPN does not help, you can get banned for VPS from the bookmakers themselves). Thus, I worked with Betfair API - access to the site was closed (Betfair did not want to buy a license for $5 million), I switched to Matchbook API - they left in six months, and then closed the access to the site, and Pinnacle closed the others. Only brokers remained. And here, either there is no API and will not be (FairExchange), or it is problematic or expensive.
Backtesting using Betfair data - there are minute bars (it's free, but it's very expensive for me to buy tick data, and it's unlikely that anyone will share such data for free). And backtesting with minute bars can be significantly distorted. Or, you can collect tick data yourself, but without an API, it is problematic.
And sometimes, to quickly test some ideas, I even need data, such as bad Betfair charts, to understand. Although, of course, my own data and my own charts are much better when it comes to developing, testing, and logging bot performance.
That's the main idea of my previous post: whatever they do, whatever they want to forbid/ to restrict you, whatever the cost of desired Data / lack of Data you've experienced / restriction of access that you are currently experiencing, finally your Creative Brain will invent something and is goin' to overcome all circumstances, thus no repressive / restrictive tool in History can overcome Open-Minded Human Imagination / Creative Thinking of a free-minded Personality.
No matter how inaccessible/expensive/forbidden/limited the desired Data is - you will just have to start from Scratch, i.e. constantly watching & digging' into the desired kind of Sport: X, Y or Z, as deeply as possible, and let me assure you, sooner or later, you will get some ideas, and what kind of Data from what you see on the pitch is most valuable and exactly how to estimate them properly, and should be put into your own Statistics / Models, and one day you will enter into the "ΕΥΡΗΚΑ!" - status!
That way unavailability of a popular Data stream won't limit you. But you have to work steadily from the Big Bang moment when you've created your own Method.
Now let me answer your questions.
- BetFair/9Wickets/etc/etc air this "data", but I personally hardly look at it over time, maybe 2-3 times/yearly. On the one hand, it is almost uninformative and limited for my Models, on the other hand, BEWARE, when a single event is extended over time, I mean the source-provider changes the scalability of the chart.
I rely on my own collected and empirically proven Data set to be observed from what's happened on the pitch in the long-, short- and medium-term custom-defined, appropriate for each individual specific case intervals of Delta T, and I advise you to try this. That way you don't need to buy tick-data, simply collect your carefully chosen parameters/variables for a very long time and use advanced instrumentation, such as interpolations, extrapolations and so forth;
Possible outdated info: If you wish to use (free?) Pinnacle API under some conditions, you may use PS3838 (I don't know whether that's the contemporary case and you should ask the support).
If you do that, the next piece of advice I may give you is to observe the scalability between Pinny/Exch and act accordingly.
- You can use whatever you are comfortable with, for example, Open Office / Libre Office are open source (i.e. programmable the way you want) and more powerful than popular software for long-term charts, back-testing and various kinds of analyses, not to mention creating stunning extremely fast and flexible graphics without limitations directly in the Terminal (Console) under Python or whatever else is comfortable for you.
Again, the only limitation is your imagination (and free time available).
Last but not least, I'm pretty sure the top-notch quality of your own observations and analytical work on-the-fly, is not possible at all for any bot/soft.
Wish you happy Modeling!
- arb12
- Totally Pro
- Karma: 30
Post
Pinny background here:
ps3838.com/static/index.php/en/help/api-user-guide
github.com/ps3838api
Hope that helps.
Re: There's a problem with the charts on FairExchange
@ A2Format,A2format wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 10:19 am
...
Thus, I worked with Betfair API - access to the site was closed (Betfair did not want to buy a license for $5 million), I switched to Matchbook API - they left in six months, and then closed the access to the site, and Pinnacle closed the others. Only brokers remained. And here, either there is no API and will not be (FairExchange), or it is problematic or expensive.
...
Pinny background here:
ps3838.com/static/index.php/en/help/api-user-guide
github.com/ps3838api
Hope that helps.
- A2format
- Gaining experience
- Karma: 2
Post
That's cool. And I think it's the right thing to do: the goal is not to look at graphs, but to make the bot work.
I also convert all the data into a format I like, because sometimes there are “holes” in the data (like Matchbook), or the data provider has changed the data package.... I need to protect myself from these factors.
Thanks for the advice. I have a different problem: I have 2-3 strategies (fundamental and technical) for sports (soccer, tennis, greyhounds, horse racing). Some of them are tested, some of them are in process, some of them are not even tested yet. Although, maybe I understand what you mean, maybe not. By the way, thanks to your posts, I paid attention to cricket: I understand your enthusiasm.
Not all my strategies need full tick data, if we are talking. But I trust the data of the minimum timeframe more (backtesting is more reliable).
And considering that in my country, there's a war going on right now (terro-russia attacked my country), everything is very complicated, it is not known what will happen tomorrow, it is difficult with finances, and the deposit is small for betting - so now it is more scientific interest than financial. In addition, data collection is complicated not only by the lack of a good API (like Betfair), but also by periodic blackouts due to shelling or according to blackout schedules (internet also disappears without light). Therefore, a lot of data cannot be collected, and it takes a lot of time.
Yeah, I've been looking at the PS3838 as well. So far I've settled on FairExchange (more familiar).
Maybe I don't understand English very well. You mean arbing? If so, I'm more inclined towards mathematical models.
And I couldn't figure out where your graphs came from, or if it's custom (as I do too, for convenience). I'm a fan of PyQt (Python + framework Qt). Speed, flexibility, lots of libraries.
100%.
Thank you for your help and wishes.
Thank you. It's on the short list. Hopefully there will be an opportunity to work with this API as well.
Re: There's a problem with the charts on FairExchange
That's cool. And I think it's the right thing to do: the goal is not to look at graphs, but to make the bot work.
I also convert all the data into a format I like, because sometimes there are “holes” in the data (like Matchbook), or the data provider has changed the data package.... I need to protect myself from these factors.
Thanks for the advice. I have a different problem: I have 2-3 strategies (fundamental and technical) for sports (soccer, tennis, greyhounds, horse racing). Some of them are tested, some of them are in process, some of them are not even tested yet. Although, maybe I understand what you mean, maybe not. By the way, thanks to your posts, I paid attention to cricket: I understand your enthusiasm.
Not all my strategies need full tick data, if we are talking. But I trust the data of the minimum timeframe more (backtesting is more reliable).
And considering that in my country, there's a war going on right now (terro-russia attacked my country), everything is very complicated, it is not known what will happen tomorrow, it is difficult with finances, and the deposit is small for betting - so now it is more scientific interest than financial. In addition, data collection is complicated not only by the lack of a good API (like Betfair), but also by periodic blackouts due to shelling or according to blackout schedules (internet also disappears without light). Therefore, a lot of data cannot be collected, and it takes a lot of time.
Yeah, I've been looking at the PS3838 as well. So far I've settled on FairExchange (more familiar).
Maybe I don't understand English very well. You mean arbing? If so, I'm more inclined towards mathematical models.
arb12 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:19 pmYou can use whatever you are comfortable with, for example, Open Office / Libre Office are open source (i.e. programmable the way you want) and more powerful than popular software for long-term charts, back-testing and various kinds of analyses, not to mention creating stunning extremely fast and flexible graphics without limitations directly in the Terminal (Console) under Python or whatever else is comfortable for you.
And I couldn't figure out where your graphs came from, or if it's custom (as I do too, for convenience). I'm a fan of PyQt (Python + framework Qt). Speed, flexibility, lots of libraries.
100%.
Thank you for your help and wishes.
Thank you. It's on the short list. Hopefully there will be an opportunity to work with this API as well.