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Re: Tracking Mobile Phones?

Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:03 am

ludako wrote: Phones have MAC Address which can be seen by the bookies so no matter if you change the IP they can see that it's the same phone.
Here's an idea for you: Clean your computers' cookies and everything, change it's MAC address, make your phone a WIFI hotspot and connect your computer to that hotspot.
This way you can easily change your IP and stay safe all the time. GL!
hello can you enlighten more on this, i use an android device with sole intent that the information cannot be since by bookies since i am not downloading any apps. but from your comment it implies that they can see the specific phone number which i guess cannot be changed. so not matter the new ip, since it is the same phone, therefore it is the same person.

Shouldnt that be the care also with computers`, dont they have unique numbers and how can i use andriods or is it a bad idea.
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Re: Tracking Mobile Phones?

Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:38 am

NXV wrote: also every cell phone has a device number. apps are able to see this device number. therefore never use apps provided by the bookies, only access them through browser, because they can't see the device number through the browser.
I would be using the browser and not the apps - are you sure that they cannot see device number if you just using the browser? What is it that makes you think that?
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Re: Tracking Mobile Phones?

Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:13 am

How would apps work using an android emulator with possibly vpn? There are certain offers only available for betting this way.
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Re: Tracking Mobile Phones?

Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:03 pm

One more thing:
A trader in a greek forum said that
when you enter via mobile phone they can see a specific codified number by your phone number. So, it's not a good idea to use the same sim card
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Re: Tracking Mobile Phones?

Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:22 am

emulating an mobile phone is a bad idea. if it comes to in deep investigating youre busted as fast as you can say iphone.

for example, your screen size doesnt fit and many many other stuff.

also cleaning cookies or reset phone will bring the same "special" information to bookies they need.

theres a good and safe way staying under the radar.

using new hardware.

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Re: Tracking Mobile Phones?

Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:51 am

alimma wrote:
ludako wrote: Phones have MAC Address which can be seen by the bookies so no matter if you change the IP they can see that it's the same phone.
Here's an idea for you: Clean your computers' cookies and everything, change it's MAC address, make your phone a WIFI hotspot and connect your computer to that hotspot.
This way you can easily change your IP and stay safe all the time. GL!
hello can you enlighten more on this, i use an android device with sole intent that the information cannot be since by bookies since i am not downloading any apps. but from your comment it implies that they can see the specific phone number which i guess cannot be changed. so not matter the new ip, since it is the same phone, therefore it is the same person.

Shouldnt that be the care also with computers`, dont they have unique numbers and how can i use andriods or is it a bad idea.
Your phone connects to internet through a device called network card. This card has an unique number called MAC Address and can be seen by every website you enter.
MAC Address on computer can be changed easily with app called TMAC Changer. Doing that on a mobile phone is impossible unless it's rooted android phone.

Here's some steps how to stay safe on PC:
1.Turn IPv6 OFF:
Open Network and Sharing Center->Change adapter Settings->Choose the active connection->Properties->Remove tick from "Internet Protocol Version 6(TCP/Ipv6).
2. Go to Start->Control Panel->Internet Options->Delete Browsing Data->Delete everything.
3. In the browser you are using go to Settings->Privacy->Delete Browsing Data->Delete everything.
4. Download this program: https://technitium.com/tmac/
Start the program, just choose 'Random MAC Address' -> 'Change Now!'.
If you lose internet connection, turn your router off for a minute.
5. Change IP.
Ask your ISP or just check if your IP is dynamic. If nothing works just make your mobile phone a hotspot using mobile data and connect your PC to that hotspot. Always check your IP if it's changed or not.
6. Disable "iesnare"
http://www.thegamblingtimes.com/board/day-day-life/10018-iesnare-make-sure-youre-not-being-snooped.html
GL!
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Re: Tracking Mobile Phones?

Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:11 am

Step 6 might be creating more problems than solving them.
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Re: Tracking Mobile Phones?

Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:09 pm

Are you sure its like as simple as that  deleting cookies  solve all things? Im sure they have installed spyware on your computer
but its just theory...

I would like to know more issues when everything was done and somehow bookie wont let you withdraw because of abusing
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Re: Tracking Mobile Phones?

Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:33 pm

I think android devices are good way to delay detection. If you can get cheap/used smartphone / tablet even with scratched but usable display and prepaid sim-card. Just use it until you or your friends are too severely limited. Discard phone or sell it to someone and get another one and repeat process. Of course while using clear cookies and other stuff that can track you. I think surest way to clear all is to make full factory reset now and then. And of course avoid all social media and gps thingies with these devices just to make sure. IMHO ppl. are using more and more handheld devices and it's becoming more popular way to make bets and other stuff. So to keep up with masses then we should learn to arb with this way also. Only major problem with smartphones is that they are slow for fast action like arbing. 
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Re: Tracking Mobile Phones?

Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:35 pm

Great info thanks Ludako!

So if I was using a bunch of virtual machines on a single laptop they would all have the same MAC address right? As they are all connecting through the same network card? I usually go down the "complete new laptop" route simply because my technical knowledge is limited. But if it's as easy as you to say to replace MAC address I don't see why I should not be able to keep "rebooting" so to speak a laptop over and over.
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Re: Tracking Mobile Phones?

Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:00 pm

The problem with this is when you install an app on one of these it asks for a lot of permissions, one of these is your exact location. So if a book can scan your gps and see a few people playing from almost exact same location, could that not raise a problem?
I was under the impression that the ability to see your exact location is more of a problem with tablet os like android, is this not so?
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Re: Tracking Mobile Phones?

Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:25 pm

Dentz wrote: I think android devices are good way to delay detection. If you can get cheap/used smartphone / tablet even with scratched but usable display and prepaid sim-card. Just use it until you or your friends are too severely limited. Discard phone or sell it to someone and get another one and repeat process. Of course while using clear cookies and other stuff that can track you. I think surest way to clear all is to make full factory reset now and then. And of course avoid all social media and gps thingies with these devices just to make sure. IMHO ppl. are using more and more handheld devices and it's becoming more popular way to make bets and other stuff. So to keep up with masses then we should learn to arb with this way also. Only major problem with smartphones is that they are slow for fast action like arbing.
My way of thinking word for word :)
Skaggerak wrote: The problem with this is when you install an app on one of these it asks for a lot of permissions, one of these is your exact location. So if a book can scan your gps and see a few people playing from almost exact same location, could that not raise a problem?
I was under the impression that the ability to see your exact location is more of a problem with tablet os like android, is this not so?
The idea is to not install any apps and only use a browser. The downside is its awkward to navigate so not for every sort of action.
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Re: Tracking Mobile Phones?

Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:39 pm

Dentz wrote: I think surest way to clear all is to make full factory reset now and then.
Would this clear all previous history of usage with sites? Because if a device has unique mac address or unique address associated with Android would it not still be clear the device was once used by someone else?
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Re: Tracking Mobile Phones?

Sat Sep 17, 2016 3:01 pm

Skaggerak wrote:
Dentz wrote: I think surest way to clear all is to make full factory reset now and then.
Would this clear all previous history of usage with sites? Because if a device has unique mac address or unique address associated with Android would it not still be clear the device was once used by someone else?
As far as I can see when using a browser the Mac is only visible if using WiFi or Bluetooth - If using cellular data it it is not. The imei would not be visible either. If using an app however the book could get permission to read these identifiers. Please correct me if you know different.
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Re: Tracking Mobile Phones?

Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:07 pm

motogpfan wrote: As far as I can see when using a browser the Mac is only visible if using WiFi or Bluetooth - If using cellular data it it is not. The imei would not be visible either. If using an app however the book could get permission to read these identifiers. Please correct me if you know different.
This adds another layer of complexity anyway, for instance, you could be accessing cellular data through bluetooth. In order to use cellular data without a fingerprint like you have described would be difficult in that case. For example a tablet would have to be either tethered or use the WIFI/Bluetooth options you mentioned, so unless tethering does not reveal this would it no be impossible to disguise the mac? That's not including using a program to spoof it, I've never done this on a laptop or with Android.
My point is I don't see how a mac could be visible if you are using a tablet, perhaps a smartphone would be different.

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